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Topic: Does anybody (besides me) use the triple lower? |
Mike Perlowin
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Los Angeles CA
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Posted 31 Jul 2006 3:22 am |
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I lower the 11th string of my U-12 (E) 3 times. Naturally it drop to Eb on the B6 boo wah pedal, but additionally I drop it to C# with the R (E to F) lever to get a bass note for the C# chord when you play A pedal with that lever, and I also drop it on a seperate knee lever to get that same bass for the C# minor chord resulting from just the A pedal by itsef.
Does anybody else have a triple lower in their setup?
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Warning: I have a telecaster and I'm not afraid to use it.
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Bobby Lee
From:
Cloverdale, California, USA
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richard burton
From:
Britain
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Posted 31 Jul 2006 11:55 am
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I don't have a triple lower.
Now I come to think of it, I don't even have an eleventh string..... |
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Danny James
From:
Summerfield Florida USA
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Posted 31 Jul 2006 12:09 pm
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I just couldn't resist plugging the old Multi-Kord. ( don't laugh )
I have a six string six pedal and it is 6 raise and 6 lower. I can raise or lower each string with any of the six pedals the full amount that string stretch will allow.
Not only that but I can change to different tunings in a matter of minutes. It ain't fancy but it works.
The Harlin Bros. Multi-Kord I'll admit leaves a lot to be desired. Remember they and Alvino Rey were some of the first if not the first to invent the pedal steel. There is a lot of controversy over who it actually was. Jay Harlin I believe had the first patent on a pedal steel guitar.
The principal of what it is made to do as far as I know is still not being utilized by the modern steel makers today. Although their changer set up is a lot more complicated.
However there is no denying that modern steels have superior quality and workmanship, they sound great, and are beautifully made.
I would like to see someone make a modern steel with a quick change changer, that is less complicatedly made, and that has the capability to raise or lower each string with each pedal and lever. |
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Scott Swartz
From:
St. Louis, MO
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Posted 31 Jul 2006 12:18 pm
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on my setup 2nd string E9, noting that I do not use half stops:
D# - C#, on a "pentatonic lever"
D#-D, in tune with the pedals down A
D#-D, in tune with G#-G change
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Dave Seddon
From:
Leicester, England.
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Posted 31 Jul 2006 12:18 pm
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Hey Richard if you really want an 11th string I've got a 12 string Carter for sale!!!!!
Dave. |
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Dr. Hugh Jeffreys
From:
Southaven, MS, USA
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Posted 31 Jul 2006 8:00 pm
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| All of my # 3's are in use. ----j---- |
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Al Marcus
From:
Cedar Springs,MI USA (deceased)
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Posted 31 Jul 2006 8:37 pm
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I used a triple lower on my S12 for years. I know that Reece does too. Some steels still have double lowere, most of them have triple now...al 
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Paddy Long
From:
Christchurch, New Zealand
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Posted 31 Jul 2006 8:57 pm
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Interestingly my 05 D10 Carter has a Quad Raise/double lower changer.
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Mike Perlowin
From:
Los Angeles CA
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Posted 31 Jul 2006 10:25 pm
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When I decided to get a new guitar I looked at (among others) GFI amd Millen before deciding to get a Millennium, and although both are fine guitars, the fact thay they only have a double lower changers eliminated them as possibilities for me.
I think a triple raise and lower changer is more of a necessity on a U-12 than on an S or D 10.
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basilh
From:
United Kingdom
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Posted 1 Aug 2006 12:32 am
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When Danny James said
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| I would like to see someone make a modern steel with a quick change changer, that is less complicatedly made, and that has the capability to raise or lower each string with each pedal and lever. |
I thought of my latest guitar and wondered the same thing !!
Danny, look at this http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum5/HTML/012905.html
This is the guitar :-
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Pete Burak
From:
Portland, OR USA
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Posted 1 Aug 2006 4:58 am
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"I drop it to C# with the R (E to F) lever to get a bass note for the C# chord when you play A pedal with that lever".
Mike, Have you ever considered raising your string 12 from B to C# on that lever, (and keep E to F on string 11, instead of lowering it to C#), for that A+F pedal/lever combo? |
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John Fabian
From:
Mesquite, Texas USA * R.I.P.
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Micky Byrne
From:
United Kingdom (deceased)
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Posted 1 Aug 2006 9:25 am
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Hi Dave (Seddon), why you selling the Carter? you got something new? let me know, just curious :-)
Micky Byrne, Carter universal, England www.mickybyrne.com |
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Mike Perlowin
From:
Los Angeles CA
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Posted 1 Aug 2006 9:52 am
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| Mike, Have you ever considered raising your string 12 from B to C# on that lever, (and keep E to F on string 11, instead of lowering it to C#), for that A+F pedal/lever combo? |
No Pete. I haven't, for 2 reasons.
First, I lower by 12th string from B to A on the A pedal, so I have a bass note for the A chord you get with the pedals down.
And second, when you add the third of a chord in the lower register, it sounds muddy. I think it has something to do with the note's overtones clashing with those of the other notes. (Remember we're talking about notes that are an octave or more lower than the standard E9 low notes)
Many people, including me feel it's best to have the root and 5th of the chord in the bass register, and the third in the middle or upper register.
On my setup, in both the A chord and C# major and minor chord positions, the order of notes (bass to treble) is root, 5th, root, then the third is there in the second octave.
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Al Marcus
From:
Cedar Springs,MI USA (deceased)
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Posted 1 Aug 2006 4:53 pm
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Basil-That's the one! Fender PS210. I had one on trial on a weekend in 1972 in Phoenix I liked itChanges made in a minute, keyless, all pedals worked both neck, and did it very well, not like the old crossover shobuds. It was considered expensive at $1500. so I got a Emmons PP D10 8/4 $1000. But I would liked to have had that Fender.....al
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