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Topic: You can't BUY Tone. |
Dan Robinson
From:
Colorado, USA
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Posted 20 Jun 2017 10:26 pm |
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| Doug Beaumier wrote: |
I've played a few different steel guitars in bands in the past 45 years and whenever I've asked my bandmates what they thought of a steel I was playing vs. my other one... they didn't notice any difference. And they are musicians!
95% player / 5% gear
80% player / 20% gear
60% player / 40% gear
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I'm going with 95% the player, or maybe even 98%. I'm not talking about the difference between steel guitars, p/p vs. all pull, humbucker vs. single coil, wood neck vs. metal neck. I'm talking about the overall sound that we hear coming from a player. |
Doug, I love your lap-steel sound. Recently treated myself to a viewing of your Powerglide video. Outstanding! I think you are playing an Emmons S10 PP. If I heard this in a blind test I'm confident I would have recognized it as Doug Beaumier. Why? Who knows. The phenomenon is too common to ignore.
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Micky Byrne
From:
United Kingdom (deceased)
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Posted 21 Jun 2017 12:55 am
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Sharrup Chappie!!  Good statement. Nice to see you on here. Hope your sister Angie in Brit is still gigging 
Take care 
Micky "scars" Byrne U.K. |
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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Posted 21 Jun 2017 1:06 am
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All of this assumes that every player is exactly the same and hears the exact same tones, or rather, timbre.
The blindfold test would not be accurate unless each of those playing or listening hears exactly the same, and , KNOWS what to listen for .
IS it true that many Steels are very similar in tones ?
Sure
Is it true that many instruments excel in certain area's of the fret board ?
Sure
Is it true that we can be sitting behind a Steel and never bring out the best of it's tonal characteristics because we can't identify with it ?
Yess-iree- Bob
It doesn't matter if people in our bands can't hear a difference between Steels , they are not playing it and cannot connect with a sweet spot while holding drum sticks.
Over the past two years I have been playing regularly with two bands, 2 different Steels. Maybe 13 different people with 4 different guitar players . Most don't even know what brand Steel I was playing and didn't care, they just know one was Black and one was Brown. 2 guitar players never paid attention , never commented one way or the other. They were stuck in their own world, still are. But TWO guitar players did indeed notice. They knew the Brown one from the Black one .
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Pro Tools 12 on WIN 7 !
jobless- but not homeless- now retired 9 years
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Larry Bressington
From:
Nebraska
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Posted 21 Jun 2017 5:48 am
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Thanks fellows, all good, great colourful thoughts and replies.
Good to see you Micky Byrne, i shall sharrup after this thread, hope you doing great mate, be back in the UK in November, Hope i diden't stir up the hornets nest, it's just something that's been on my mind! He he
One more rant; You can give Tiger Woods a dozen sets of golf clubs of all calibre's, the game will be played the same unless...(they are complete rubbish clubs and they snap off), he dosen't need a brand name on it to feel good, or to win the game, his style will shine through, it's still the Tiger no matter what.
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Doug Beaumier
From:
Northampton, MA
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Fred Treece
From:
California, USA
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Posted 21 Jun 2017 7:04 am
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| Larry Bressington wrote: |
| One more rant; You can give Tiger Woods a dozen sets of golf clubs of all calibre's, the game will be played the same unless...(they are complete rubbish clubs and they snap off), he dosen't need a brand name on it to feel good, or to win the game, his style will shine through, it's still the Tiger no matter what. |
Tiger will play better than anyone else on a crappy set of clubs, true. But he won't play his own best game. |
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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Posted 21 Jun 2017 7:28 am
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| Larry Bressington wrote: |
| One more rant; You can give Tiger Woods a dozen sets of golf clubs of all calibre's, the game will be played the same unless...(they are complete rubbish clubs and they snap off), he dosen't need a brand name on it to feel good, or to win the game, his style will shine through, it's still the Tiger no matter what. |
Tiger will play better than anyone else on a crappy set of clubs, true. But he won't play his own best game. |
And that right there is Gold !
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Emmons L-II , Fender Telecasters, B-Benders
Pro Tools 12 on WIN 7 !
jobless- but not homeless- now retired 9 years
CURRENT MUSIC TRACKS AT > https://tprior2241.wixsite.com/website
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Leo Melanson
From:
Massachusetts, USA
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Posted 21 Jun 2017 9:39 am Gas
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Larry Bressington
From:
Nebraska
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Posted 21 Jun 2017 9:58 am
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Speaking strictly for myself here; What i lack in Skill, i try to Fix with purchase.
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Damir Besic
From:
Nashville,TN.
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Posted 24 Jun 2017 2:04 am
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I talked to the friend recently who was at the club where Buddy was playing years ago, he asked Buddy if he could play his Emmons for a few minutes while Buddy and the band were on the break, he said that was the worst sounding steel he ever played.... however, needless to say, Buddy sounded just as great as always on that same guitar.... I think that should tell us something about this subject...
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Jason Cady
From:
New York, USA
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Posted 28 Jun 2017 7:21 am
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Have you ever heard someone have great tone yet play badly (wrong notes, bad intonation, cliche licks, etc.)?
Have you ever heard someone play amazing material yet with poor tone?
I think it is awfully difficult to asses tone separate from what is being played. It seems that when we talk of a player having great tone we really just mean that person is a great player. |
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