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Tim Russell


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Post  Posted 4 May 2017 11:21 am    
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How does Paul get that huge string stretch? On Together Again, and other songs as well, I've always loved it.

In this clip at the 2:23 mark; I see him rocking his left leg but I can't tell what he is doing on the pedals or knees. It sure sounds like the 5th is being pulled from B to E. The bar stays on the same fret.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAHfcqzhag0

Is that what you guys hear? 5th string raise? There are also other songs where he pulls two strings in unison that are the same type of long stretch. I don't have an example right now...

His copedent on the forum doesn't reflect a 5th string raise of that amount...
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Dale Rivard

 

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Post  Posted 4 May 2017 11:52 am    
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Hi Tim, I don't have my steel set up right now so I don't know exactly which string groupings and pedal and knee lever combinations are being used but I believe the first part of the lick starts on the 2nd string lowered a whole tone. Then release to the open note, then raise a half tone, then release, then lower a whole tone again. Then he's re attacking the strings. strings 3,4 & 5, raise 5 a whole tone, then release.
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Earnest Bovine


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Post  Posted 4 May 2017 12:16 pm    
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Right. At 2:22, under the high Bb and G, the moving voice D E F E D is string 2 (two knee levers)
The at 2:24, under high A and F, the moving voice D to C is string 5 (A pedal)
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Tim Heidner

 

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Post  Posted 4 May 2017 2:09 pm    
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I like how Vince just sits there listening and chuckling. Laughing
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Jim Fogarty


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Post  Posted 4 May 2017 2:19 pm    
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The "falling off the cliff" move @ 2:28-2:35 is what totally knocks me out. Sounds like a complete screwup is about to happen......but, of course, all three voices resolve perfectly.

Outstanding.
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Tim Russell


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Post  Posted 4 May 2017 2:37 pm    
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Hmmm... I really think I hear strings 3,4,5 there. He is on B & C pedals, and plays that lick through with those same strings ringing out.

I know I can get that lick using the 5th string, but if Paul is doing it some other, perhaps easier way, I would rather follow his lead. Wink
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Tim Russell


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Post  Posted 5 May 2017 2:01 am    
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Earnest,

You are right on. Although this move could be completed with the 5th, it is the 2nd string with both raise/lower knees. I had a chance to sit down at the guitar this morning and I have it now.

Funny how the coolest sounds are right under our nose, lol.

Jim,

That "falling off the cliff", descending run lick is also very nice. I use that one in a few Gospel songs, always loved that sound.
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David Nugent

 

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Post  Posted 5 May 2017 3:57 am    
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Those bar slant moves that he executes in the solo are what knock me out!!
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Bill Ford


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Post  Posted 5 May 2017 4:30 am    
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@ 3;25 backslant tears me up..(as does all PF playing),looks like a little "showoff" for Vince.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w8CkHQJWo4
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Tim Russell


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Post  Posted 5 May 2017 11:06 am    
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Yes, Paul's backslants...

another trick I cannot master, lol. For some reason, I cannot get the hang of holding onto the bar while shifting it like that.

Maybe if I saw what he was doing over his shoulder it might be a bit clearer to me.
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Randy Schneider


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Post  Posted 5 May 2017 11:16 am    
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Tim Russell wrote:
Yes, Paul's backslants...

Maybe if I saw what he was doing over his shoulder it might be a bit clearer to me.


Tim,

There's a pretty good view of Paul's slants in this version from the Marty Stuart show:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fScolqR-_Y
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Bill Ford


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Post  Posted 5 May 2017 12:45 pm    
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I can't do that with a 12 string bar, maybe with a 10 string, I play(own) S12s, and the bar is too long for me, I have to do a wrist backslant. May need to grow longer fingers. BF
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Jeff Mead


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Post  Posted 5 May 2017 11:14 pm    
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Tim Russell wrote:

That "falling off the cliff", descending run lick is also very nice. I use that one in a few Gospel songs, always loved that sound.


Tim - would you be able to share how that one's done. It's lovely.
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Tim Russell


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Post  Posted 6 May 2017 2:24 am    
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Randy Schneider wrote:
Tim Russell wrote:
Yes, Paul's backslants...

Maybe if I saw what he was doing over his shoulder it might be a bit clearer to me.


Tim,

There's a pretty good view of Paul's slants in this version from the Marty Stuart show:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fScolqR-_Y


Even with the good view, I have a hard time with it. My problem is, I lose grip on the bar, the down pressure. I can't figure how to grip it while pivoting it like that. Some guys have it, some don't. Embarassed

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Tim Russell wrote:

That "falling off the cliff", descending run lick is also very nice. I use that one in a few Gospel songs, always loved that sound.


Tim - would you be able to share how that one's done. It's lovely.


Does anyone have that tabbed out or can share with Jeff how to do that descending run lick?

I can describe it here, but don't have time to tab. I'll do my best, hope this makes sense. It is really a super easy lick, but sounds difficult. A fantastic, awesome sound!

Start at 10th fret, A/B pedals; pick 4,5,6...then, 5,6,8. Then lower E-Eb knee. Slide back to 9th fret, pick 4th string, then 1rst string, slide back to 8th fret. Done!

I might add, look at Vince right after that run/lick...he loves it too. Very Happy
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Jeff Mead


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Post  Posted 6 May 2017 3:45 am    
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Thanks for that. I could hear the AB with the E lower but wouldn't have figured out adding string 1. I cant wait to try that when I get home.

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David Nugent

 

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Post  Posted 6 May 2017 4:51 am    
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Once we master the reverse slant that Paul executes so well, perhaps we can begin the task of learning the 360 degree spin that Buddy would do on occasion.
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Post  Posted 6 May 2017 8:09 am    
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Notice how hard he picks the strings, it makes a difference.
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Tim Russell


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Post  Posted 6 May 2017 11:14 am    
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Larry Behm wrote:
Notice how hard he picks the strings, it makes a difference.


Yes, I did notice his hard attack on the strings. He emphasizes passages very well with that. Smile

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Once we master the reverse slant that Paul executes so well, perhaps we can begin the task of learning the 360 degree spin that Buddy would do on occasion.


I have heard of Buddy doing that - unreal! Does anyone, by any chance, have a video of him spinning it like that?
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Bill Ford


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Post  Posted 6 May 2017 1:02 pm    
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Tim..@ 3;00. & 5;30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55W8kMDm6_w
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Jim Fogarty


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Post  Posted 6 May 2017 1:07 pm    
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Bill Ford wrote:
Tim..@ 3;00. & 5;30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55W8kMDm6_w


5:30 is a complete 360........3:00 is just a regular slant, then he picks up the bar.

All cool stuff, though!
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Bill Ford


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Post  Posted 6 May 2017 1:22 pm    
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Buddy didn't do anything "regular" my 2 cents.LOL


Jim Fogarty wrote:
Bill Ford wrote:
Tim..@ 3;00. & 5;30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55W8kMDm6_w


5:30 is a complete 360........3:00 is just a regular slant, then he picks up the bar.

All cool stuff, though!

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Tim Russell


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Post  Posted 7 May 2017 3:47 am    
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I'll get right to work on that 360, lol. Whoa!

If you think my guitar has bar dings now, just wait... Laughing

That is just simply amazing, especially 5:30. Thanks for posting the video. I wonder, has any other steeler, pro or otherwise done that?
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David Nugent

 

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Post  Posted 7 May 2017 4:01 am    
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Not quite certain, (with the guitar player egging him on) thought that I noticed one of them actually being a double spin??
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Tim Russell


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Post  Posted 7 May 2017 12:54 pm    
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David Nugent wrote:
Not quite certain, (with the guitar player egging him on) thought that I noticed one of them actually being a double spin??


Oh, stop it! Embarassed
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Tony Dingus

 

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Post  Posted 8 May 2017 6:50 pm    
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Dale Rivard wrote:
Hi Tim, I don't have my steel set up right now so I don't know exactly which string groupings and pedal and knee lever combinations are being used but I believe the first part of the lick starts on the 2nd string lowered a whole tone. Then release to the open note, then raise a half tone, then release, then lower a whole tone again. Then he's re attacking the strings. strings 3,4 & 5, raise 5 a whole tone, then release.


Dale is right. I have those changes on my guitar. Paul lowers his 2nd a whole tone on LKR and raises it a half tone on RKR He also raises his 1st and 7th a whole tone on his RKR.

Tony
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