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Olli Haavisto


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Post Posted 18 Mar 2017 10:40 am     Reply with quote

Does anybody know how many full blown Universal 12-strings left the factory? Approximately
Not 12-strings in general, but ones that were originally set up as universals....
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Herb Steiner


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Post Posted 18 Mar 2017 12:56 pm     Reply with quote

Hey Olli Smile
I've never seen a factory uni, but I'd imagine there are some out there.

Bobby Bowman told me that setting up a 12-string universal on a PP was his most challenging job. But he was very particular about setting up PPs. He didn't say whether it was a Bb6 Uni or an E9/B6 Uni that was more difficult.

I'd ask Mike Cass or Lynn Stafford which of those would be their favorite setup.
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Ken Metcalf


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Post Posted 18 Mar 2017 3:02 pm     Reply with quote

Very few that had seven or eight pedals if any.
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Lee Baucum


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Post Posted 18 Mar 2017 5:26 pm     Reply with quote

Herb - When you sold my Emmons E9/B6 U-12 for me, where did it go? The Netherlands?

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Herb Steiner


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Post Posted 18 Mar 2017 5:48 pm     Reply with quote

That was a long time ago, Lee.
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Olli Haavisto


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Lynn Stafford


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Post Posted 19 Mar 2017 10:21 am     Push-Pull Univerals Reply with quote

Herb Steiner wrote:
Hey Olli Smile
I've never seen a factory uni, but I'd imagine there are some out there.

Bobby Bowman told me that setting up a 12-string universal on a PP was his most challenging job. But he was very particular about setting up PPs. He didn't say whether it was a Bb6 Uni or an E9/B6 Uni that was more difficult.

I'd ask Mike Cass or Lynn Stafford which of those would be their favorite setup.


Hi Herb,

Yes, these setups are very challenging, to say the least! I just recently finished converting a ST-12 Ext. E9 3x4 PP to a U-12 7x5 setup for a customer in Seattle. No less than six half-stop tuners were required, along with a lot of patience! Owners of these very complex guitars need to have a very clear understanding of how to tune everything.




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Bob Hoffnar


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Post Posted 19 Mar 2017 10:39 am     Reply with quote

I had a full set up U12 rosewood PP that I bought used and then had Bobby Bowman put my set up on. It sounded and played great. It had the legrande type pedals.
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Olli Haavisto


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Post Posted 19 Mar 2017 10:55 am     Reply with quote

This one had been set up by Bowman, too.
I believe it is a '79 or '80, Legrande pedals.
Btw what were the original tuning keys on this era push pulls?
This one has aftermarket Schallers which seem to work great...
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Pete Burak


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Post Posted 19 Mar 2017 11:24 am     Reply with quote

I ordered/bought one new in '82. Jeff Newman 7x4 S12U setup (no LKR). Still have it. Smile
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Jon Light


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Post Posted 19 Mar 2017 12:33 pm     Reply with quote

I know that my black double body is still in Brooklyn. I was never able to ascertain if it was a legit ST-12 or a stripped D-12. It was configured like Larry Bell's lean/mean Uni with only 6 pedals. Mid 70's guitar. I regret selling it but it's getting played more than I would be playing it so I'm glad of that.
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GaryL


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Medina, OH USA
Post Posted 19 Mar 2017 3:41 pm     Reply with quote

I remember seeing Cowboy Eddie Long playing an Emmons single neck with Hank Williams Jr. back in the early 80's. I'm thinking that it was probably a Universal. Push-pull? I didn't know enough to ask at the time.
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Larry Bell


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Post Posted 20 Mar 2017 12:46 pm     Reply with quote

I have two

is my main guitar

I also have this one, in better cosmetic shape


Mike Cass set them both up. No complaints.
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