INSTRUCTION STRINGS ACCESSORIES MUSIC LINKS
 Visit Our Catalog at SteelGuitarShopper.com for Steel Guitars, Strings, Instruction, Music and Accessories 
Forum Index
where steel players meet online
The Steel Guitar Forum

Post new topic Steel, is it getting pushed out???
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4
Reply to topic
Author Topic:  Steel, is it getting pushed out???
Joachim Kettner


From:
Germany
Post Posted 6 Mar 2017 11:56 am     Reply with quote

Richard Nelson wrote:
Trends come and go . Steel will always come back . Remember the early 80's ? There wasn't much steel around then .... Randy Travis and Ricky Scaggs brought it back .

So you think of music as trends. Now that's funny!
_________________
Fender Kingman, Sierra Crown D-10, Evans Amplifier, Soup Cube.
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Mark Eaton


From:
Sonoma County in The Great State Of Northern California
Post Posted 6 Mar 2017 12:56 pm     Reply with quote

Joachim Kettner wrote:
Richard Nelson wrote:
Trends come and go . Steel will always come back . Remember the early 80's ? There wasn't much steel around then .... Randy Travis and Ricky Scaggs brought it back .

So you think of music as trends. Now that's funny!


Joachim, I don't get the joke. (?)

Richard - probably the two most mixed up names in the music biz:

Ricky Skaggs

Boz Scaggs
_________________
Mark
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Joachim Kettner


From:
Germany
Post Posted 7 Mar 2017 3:52 am     Reply with quote

I don't think there will a "New Tradionalists" trend in the future, Mark.
_________________
Fender Kingman, Sierra Crown D-10, Evans Amplifier, Soup Cube.
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Howard Parker


From:
Clarksburg,MD USA
Post Posted 7 Mar 2017 6:15 am     Reply with quote

Joachim Kettner wrote:
I don't think there will a "New Tradionalists" trend in the future, Mark.


I would gently disagree. It's called "Americana".

Plenty of twang..
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
Steven Hicken


From:
Leeds, United Kingdom
Post Posted 7 Mar 2017 10:08 am     Reply with quote

Howard Parker wrote:
Joachim Kettner wrote:
I don't think there will a "New Tradionalists" trend in the future, Mark.


I would gently disagree. It's called "Americana".

Plenty of twang..


Totally agree Howard.

Look at First Aid Kit.

I know a lot of young people in England who love their music.

In fact, two lasses from my school a year or so ago actually approached me to play the song Emmylou with them.

Cheers
_________________
"19 years old huh? I've got socks older than you."

2015 Show Pro "Steven Hicken Jr."
Peavey Session 400 Limited.
http://www.therykers.com/
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
Joachim Kettner


From:
Germany
Post Posted 7 Mar 2017 10:09 am     Reply with quote

"Americana" I never liked that term. I'm sure there are many good artists that fall into the category. But they will never be as well known as those in the mid- eighties.
On the other side the listerners of contemporary Americana are sophisticated, so some of them could possibly start exploring the steel.
_________________
Fender Kingman, Sierra Crown D-10, Evans Amplifier, Soup Cube.
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Howard Parker


From:
Clarksburg,MD USA
Post Posted 7 Mar 2017 10:27 am     Reply with quote

It's nothing more than a label and a broad one at that.

I'm booked at venues that would never consider "country". As an "Americana" band you might dig into our set list and find covers by Emmylou, Conway, Loretta, Patsy, George..etc. in addition to other twangy stuff including originals.

Get the picture? Cool

You might not get (or care) about the label but most everyone I play for is in the 30-45 yo age bracket. That's a good place to be I think.

Old dog + new label = new market

I'm not suggesting this is a magic elixir for aging steel players. I'm just pointing to a strategy that seems to have worked for me. Trust me when I say that there is nothing unique/special about my abilities. I just had a desire to play in front of an audience and found a home in this space.

ymmv

h
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
Howard Parker


From:
Clarksburg,MD USA
Post Posted 7 Mar 2017 10:44 am     Reply with quote

As an aside, check out the Americana Music Assoc. awards.

You'll see familiar names.

h
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
David Mason


From:
Cambridge, MD, USA
Post Posted 7 Mar 2017 8:23 pm     Reply with quote

I personally have serious disc problems, I'm lucky to be able to play anything at all, but: I get up about 5:30am, peak about 9am; by 7pm, fergit it, bands here START at 10pm. So what I hear is what I find, but a much larger factor is: I don't much care for a lot of the music that is being played by a lot of bands, which of course is fine. Some have steel, some don't. One of the newer darlings of the summer festival/jamband circuit is the New Orleans-based "Revivalists", here's a clip with a few million views.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0Pt7M0weUI
They tote a fulltime steel player who is in there in the mix, doing a good bit of chordal work. They're not WHAPPIN' you with it, but he's busy. Overall, they're not my cup of tea. But they got #1 on some...thing... make enough categories, everybody can win! Yikes. Ed Williams, pedal steel guitar, get'm Ed.

There's another whole genre called "post-rock", which has been kinda rudely described as Album-Oriented Rock without Vocals -AORWOV? The "Red Sparowes" are awash in pedal steel, and still kicking hard. But I don't particularly like them. Greg Burns, pedal steel guitar - get'm Greg! I mean, going through that list of over 100 I keep citing ad nausea*, there's only maybe 15 I would listen to repeatedly if I didn't have more other stuff to do. But it's THERE, is all. I wouldn't buy music I didn't like just because it had steel, likewise I wish a number of them (cited) like Christopher Woitach WOULD find an outlet/excuse/budget/SOMEthing to make a steel CD, because me and probably three other people would buy it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axEmQ4oPq3Q
He has a like a "chamber jazz" clip somewhere in that thread I don't have time to dig up right away, but it is tubular. Totally.

*(Latin for "plus barfy")

P.S.("Americana" is OBVIOUSLY what could also be called "real country music." No Nudie suits unless they're worn out, no fake holes in the knees of brand-new, yet-thrashed, blue jeans; huh? Gurrrls... Just songs that tell stories and start at the beginning and go to the end. WHO to blame for what is now called "country music?" I don't have time to worry on it. 4 out of 5 psychiatrists recommend - SHOOT yer RADIO & yer TELEVISION.)
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Bruce Bjork


From:
Southern Coast of Maine
Post Posted 8 Mar 2017 6:50 am     Reply with quote

First Aid Kit, never heard of this duo before, but will be listening to them going forward.
Great music

https://youtu.be/Y3TzP-o4vhs
_________________
Banjo, Dobro, Guitar, Justice Pro Lite 3x5
"Use the talents you possess; the woods would be very silent indeed if no birds sang but the best"
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
b0b


From:
Northern California
Post Posted 8 Mar 2017 8:28 am     Reply with quote

Howard Parker wrote:
As an aside, check out the Americana Music Assoc. awards.

You'll see familiar names.

h

Cindy Cashdollar nominated for Instrumentalist of the Year. All right! Mr. Green
_________________
-b0b- (SGF Admin) a.k.a. Bobby Lee ♪ CopedentsRice & BeanWine Country SwingStella
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
Jonathan Lam


From:
Brooklyn, NY
Post Posted 17 Jul 2017 5:44 am     Reply with quote

Not sure if steel is used more or less than the moment this thread started as compared to right now. please discuss.
_________________
Http://www.jonnylam.com
http://www.honeyfingersmusic.com
https://www.facebook.com/honeyfingersmusic
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
Fred Treece


From:
California, USA
Post Posted 17 Jul 2017 3:20 pm     Reply with quote

Jonathan Lam wrote:
Not sure if steel is used more or less than the moment this thread started as compared to right now. please discuss.

Mine has been getting a lot more use since February. Some of it even outside the key of G.

Seriously, I'm sure there are more steel players than there are steel gigs, same as it ever was and ever shall be. But, there also may be more of both now than there ever were. If the forum is a good indicator of how many players there are, then pedal steel is far from becoming an obscure little anachronism.
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
David Mitchell


From:
Texas, USA
Post Posted 21 Jul 2017 5:29 am     Reply with quote

Refering to what Herb Steiner said Walter Haynes told me at his house one day he had a video of him playing steel with Patsy Cline in a club. Somehow he never got around to finding it for me but I'm gonna get Cindy to find it someday. That would be interesting to hear what she had to say between songs.
Regarding the demise of traditional country music and the steel guitar I say it was me and you older folks and the listeners that loved it so much is who killed it.
Let me explain. I'll use myself as an example. It's probably been about 40 years since I paid to go see any singer in clubs, rodeos or concerts. It's been about 12 years now since I purchased a CD of any artist. The last one I recall was Rhonda Vincent and the rage. A bluegrass CD with no steel guitar. Before that it had been 35 years since I purchased a Buck Owens album when they were still making records. I'm 63 now and not a member of anyones fan club. The music "business" has never been about the music and the artist. Unfortunately it's about who sells and the traditional artist have lost their supporters and the new country artist trying to produce it are having a real hard time getting in the top 100 let alone the top 40 because the old people keep clinging to the classic artist and won't give the new artist a chance. I see this all the time when a new singer are steel player comes along that is really good and you hear comments like "That's pretty good but no one will ever sing it like George or Merle or Ray." They hear a young steel player and say "That's pretty good but there will never be another Buddy, Lloyd or Papa John." Can't we see we are retarding our own growth. When a new pop or rock artist comes out everybody (young people) go insane. They don't keep dwelling on the Beatles, Rolling Stones, Bob Dylan are whatever. They are progressive. Old people are not.
_________________
Emmons PP 8/10, Sho-Bud Pro ll 8/4, ZB Custom 8/4, MSA Classic 10/10, Fender 2000 10/2, Fender SF Quad Reverb, Fender BF Super Reverb, Fender Super Twin, Fender BF Vibroclone, Peavy Nashville 400, Peavy Nashville 1000, Peavy Session 400, Peavy Artist VT, Sho-Bud Christmas Tree
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Barry Blackwood


Post Posted 21 Jul 2017 7:27 am     Reply with quote

Quote:
They are progressive. Old people are not.


View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Steven Hicken


From:
Leeds, United Kingdom
Post Posted 21 Jul 2017 9:04 am     Reply with quote

David Mitchell wrote:
Refering to what Herb Steiner said Walter Haynes told me at his house one day he had a video of him playing steel with Patsy Cline in a club. Somehow he never got around to finding it for me but I'm gonna get Cindy to find it someday. That would be interesting to hear what she had to say between songs.
Regarding the demise of traditional country music and the steel guitar I say it was me and you older folks and the listeners that loved it so much is who killed it.
Let me explain. I'll use myself as an example. It's probably been about 40 years since I paid to go see any singer in clubs, rodeos or concerts. It's been about 12 years now since I purchased a CD of any artist. The last one I recall was Rhonda Vincent and the rage. A bluegrass CD with no steel guitar. Before that it had been 35 years since I purchased a Buck Owens album when they were still making records. I'm 63 now and not a member of anyones fan club. The music "business" has never been about the music and the artist. Unfortunately it's about who sells and the traditional artist have lost their supporters and the new country artist trying to produce it are having a real hard time getting in the top 100 let alone the top 40 because the old people keep clinging to the classic artist and won't give the new artist a chance. I see this all the time when a new singer are steel player comes along that is really good and you hear comments like "That's pretty good but no one will ever sing it like George or Merle or Ray." They hear a young steel player and say "That's pretty good but there will never be another Buddy, Lloyd or Papa John." Can't we see we are retarding our own growth. When a new pop or rock artist comes out everybody (young people) go insane. They don't keep dwelling on the Beatles, Rolling Stones, Bob Dylan are whatever. They are progressive. Old people are not.


Spot on David.
_________________
"19 years old huh? I've got socks older than you."

2015 Show Pro "Steven Hicken Jr."
Peavey Session 400 Limited.
http://www.therykers.com/
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
Fred Treece


From:
California, USA
Post Posted 21 Jul 2017 9:44 am     Reply with quote

David Mitchell wrote:
give the new artist a chance. I see this all the time when a new singer are steel player comes along that is really good and you hear comments like "That's pretty good but no one will ever sing it like George or Merle or Ray." They hear a young steel player and say "That's pretty good but there will never be another Buddy, Lloyd or Papa John."

I appreciate the depth of your analysis. There is truth and honesty in it. The names you mentioned are masters of their craft and established the standards that all others are measured against. True artists will reach for those standards with the same creative energy (not imitation), and a few may even surpass them. We can't control what sells, but we can maintain our values and be as honest about acknowledging mastery when we hear it as we are critical of those who fall a little short.
David Mitchell wrote:
Can't we see we are retarding our own growth. When a new pop or rock artist comes out everybody (young people) go insane. They don't keep dwelling on the Beatles, Rolling Stones, Bob Dylan are whatever. They are progressive. Old people are not.

Young people will establish their own pop icons just as previous generations did, and then move on to other more significant aspects of their lives. 30 years from now their kids will do the same thing. For musicians, this is not an option. Music is an endless source of information and inspiration.

Measuring a single genre's value by the achievements of one generation's icons is a subjective personal choice, but one that should motivate the musician to continue the genre's progress. It may be up to us to keep steel guitar alive in spite of whatever direction pop music takes. What a burden... Razz
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Godfrey Arthur


From:
Philippines
Post Posted 21 Jul 2017 12:43 pm     Reply with quote

The bread and circuses phenomenon.

We have the same lament on the organ forums. You don't see organs being used in bands when they were all over the place.

And now, not too coincidentally, are all over country recordings these days more than they've ever been.

You ask yourself how can such a wonderful instrument like a psg not be enjoyed ?

Has less to do with tastes than it does with austerity.
_________________
From the Bronx via Manila
ShoBud The Pro 1
YES it's my REAL NAME!
View user's profile Send private message
David Mason


From:
Cambridge, MD, USA
Post Posted 21 Jul 2017 1:25 pm     Reply with quote

Quantum physics is a branch that basically claims "Hey, we're just guessing, but it works okay sometimes!"*

Niels Bohr was a Big Cheeze in quantumland, he said:
Quote:
"A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing it's opponents and making them see the light. But rather, because it's opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it."

I wonder if Niel liked steel guitar?

*(I'm glossing over the boring parts, here.)
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
David Mitchell


From:
Texas, USA
Post Posted 21 Jul 2017 6:01 pm     Reply with quote

Quote:
Young people will establish their own pop icons just as previous generations did, and then move on to other more significant aspects of their lives. 30 years from now their kids will do the same thing. For musicians, this is not an option. Music is an endless source of information and inspiration.
As for that last sentence I do receive inspiration with my steel guitar. I'm inspired playing it at home alone now and it's even more pleasurable now that I'm not depending on it for a living. For decades I turned down more work than I had time to accept. The only way steel guitar music is gonna die is when the musician stops playing his instrument forever. In that case it is truly dead. Dead to whoever quit playing. I long to hear the sound of Buddy Emmons playing old country stuff again on the radio so I just turn my amp on and start playing it myself at home. Next best thing. It might not move anyone else but it sure moves me. See there, problem solved! Steel is alive and well in my mind.
_________________
Emmons PP 8/10, Sho-Bud Pro ll 8/4, ZB Custom 8/4, MSA Classic 10/10, Fender 2000 10/2, Fender SF Quad Reverb, Fender BF Super Reverb, Fender Super Twin, Fender BF Vibroclone, Peavy Nashville 400, Peavy Nashville 1000, Peavy Session 400, Peavy Artist VT, Sho-Bud Christmas Tree
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail

All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Jump to:  

Our Online Catalog
Strings, CDs, instruction,
steel guitars & accessories

www.SteelGuitarShopper.com

Steel Guitar Music
Instrumental steel guitar CDs for your permanent collection
www.SteelGuitarMusic.com

Please review our Forum Rules and Policies

The Steel Guitar Forum
148 South Cloverdale Blvd.
Cloverdale, CA 95425 USA

Support This Forum


BIAB Styles
Ray Price Shuffles for Band-in-a-Box
by Jim Baron
HTTP