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Antolina
From: Dunkirk NY
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Posted 11 Feb 2017 5:44 pm
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Hi Guys.. I'm installing a delay. What's the best way to hook it up? _________________ The only thing better than doing what you love is having someone that loves you enough to let you do it.
Sho~Bud 6139 3+3
Marrs 3+4
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Mitch Ellis
From: Collins, Mississippi USA
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Posted 11 Feb 2017 9:24 pm
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I use a delay pedal and hook it up this way....volume pedal to "in" delay pedal, then "out" delay pedal to the front of the amp. I use an Ibanez digital delay petal and the amp will work with the delay pedal on or off. If you wish to do a song with no delay, simply turn the petal off. After you're done, turn the pedal back on. The settings will not be affected.
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Antolina
From: Dunkirk NY
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Posted 13 Feb 2017 8:11 am
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That's how I did it but there's a click when I play it. I have a MXR delay. Any suggestions? _________________ The only thing better than doing what you love is having someone that loves you enough to let you do it.
Sho~Bud 6139 3+3
Marrs 3+4
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James Winger
From: Washington, USA
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Posted 13 Feb 2017 11:21 am
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When you say there's a click when you play it...
Do you mean a click when you hit the footswitch to turn the effect on/off
or do you mean there's a clicking noise going on when the effect is already on and you are playing through it?
(my guess, esp as it's MXR is that it's a sound during switching...but I don't want to make that assumption and lead you down a wrong path) |
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Antolina
From: Dunkirk NY
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Posted 13 Feb 2017 12:37 pm
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The affect is already on while I'm playing. _________________ The only thing better than doing what you love is having someone that loves you enough to let you do it.
Sho~Bud 6139 3+3
Marrs 3+4
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James Winger
From: Washington, USA
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Posted 13 Feb 2017 12:47 pm
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so is it a regular ticking type sound?
or is it happening when you hit it with certain levels?
how are you powering the little guy?
are you using the modulation? (if it's, say , a carbon copy model)
does the noise change if you move the delay TIME knob? |
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Antolina
From: Dunkirk NY
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Posted 13 Feb 2017 1:07 pm
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happens when I strike my pedals to play. I'm powering with a 9v battery which I'm replacing with a plug in. and yes it's Carbon Copy. _________________ The only thing better than doing what you love is having someone that loves you enough to let you do it.
Sho~Bud 6139 3+3
Marrs 3+4
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James Winger
From: Washington, USA
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Posted 13 Feb 2017 1:12 pm
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Ok, wait - just to be clear
Is the noise happening pretty much just when you hit the footswitch?
OR does it happen just an any time when you have the echo actually echoing
like say you have the echo actually echoing for 20 seconds...would you hear the click/pop then?
the reason I'm asking is
"ON" can be a bit of a tricky term (my fault for using it) -
There is Powered up (the effect is "on" in terms of power)
Then there is on in the sense of "engaged" where the effect is actually in use and modifying the sound (as opposed to "bypassed" where the unit is powered up, but not modifying the sound) |
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Antolina
From: Dunkirk NY
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Posted 13 Feb 2017 1:22 pm
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It's not really an echo. It's a tick sound when I hit my pedals to play a chord or single note. I was told by a fella at the music store to switch the wires around... Huh? _________________ The only thing better than doing what you love is having someone that loves you enough to let you do it.
Sho~Bud 6139 3+3
Marrs 3+4
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James Winger
From: Washington, USA
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Posted 13 Feb 2017 1:24 pm
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OK, we are getting confused on terms, I mean the echo being the actual delay effect.
let's break it back down
It sounds like it's only happening when you actually hit the footswitch
that's pretty common with that kind of mechanically based switching |
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Antolina
From: Dunkirk NY
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Posted 13 Feb 2017 1:27 pm
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Never happened when I had an Ibanez. Only happens when the delay is on. _________________ The only thing better than doing what you love is having someone that loves you enough to let you do it.
Sho~Bud 6139 3+3
Marrs 3+4
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James Winger
From: Washington, USA
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Posted 13 Feb 2017 1:30 pm
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Ibanez use a different kind of switching (buffered FET) the switch you step on in an ibanez isn't actually part of the audio circuit - it's a switch for an electronic control signal
when you say it only happens when it's on do you mean it only happens when you SWITH it on or would it happen - say - at some random time when it's been engaged for a while? |
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Antolina
From: Dunkirk NY
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Posted 13 Feb 2017 1:34 pm
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Not me! I'm just doing the best I can. THANKS. _________________ The only thing better than doing what you love is having someone that loves you enough to let you do it.
Sho~Bud 6139 3+3
Marrs 3+4
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James Winger
From: Washington, USA
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Posted 13 Feb 2017 1:35 pm
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oh, whoops - I edited the response to catch up with your reply we are a little out of synch |
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Antolina
From: Dunkirk NY
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Posted 13 Feb 2017 1:38 pm
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It ONLY happens when it's on and I'm hitting a chord or a single note. _________________ The only thing better than doing what you love is having someone that loves you enough to let you do it.
Sho~Bud 6139 3+3
Marrs 3+4
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James Winger
From: Washington, USA
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Posted 13 Feb 2017 1:45 pm
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oh, OK sorry for the confusion
it might be a headroom issue
could the battery be weak?
analog delays are notorious power hogs so a good battery doesn't stay good for all that long in a delay
I've found the carbon copy to be pretty (very) sensitive to power - the first time I played through one I thought it was broken b/c there was my dry sound, but not much echo (delay)
then i found it had a dying battery....insta-fix
I'd try it with a super fresh battery and then with a wall wart if you have one. |
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James Winger
From: Washington, USA
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Posted 13 Feb 2017 1:55 pm
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I'm still a little concerned about one thing
you said "it only happens when i strike my pedals to play"
are you "riding switch" of the delay sort of like riding the sustain pedal on a piano?
like are you just trying to catch only certain notes/chords with the delay?
or are you leaving the delay engaged for whole parts of a song?
I'm sorry for all the confusion I just want to make sure we are talking about the same thing.
Try this diagnostic test that's different than real-world playing :
If you step on the pedal to make it do delays and you count to three without playing anything
then play a run for 5 or 6 seconds...would you hear the noise while playing that lick?
I know it sound ridiculous, but it's pretty amazing how little details like that can confuse things
I once worked on a computer program that was only broken for left handers!!! |
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Antolina
From: Dunkirk NY
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Posted 13 Feb 2017 3:11 pm
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Here's what I'm doing. I bought a wall wart. I'll Put it on. If it works I'll try changing some wires. If it still gives me problems I'll consider the whole thing a loss and get a new one.
Thanks a lot for the time and energy into working with me. I'll PM you when I get it all figured out. _________________ The only thing better than doing what you love is having someone that loves you enough to let you do it.
Sho~Bud 6139 3+3
Marrs 3+4
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James Winger
From: Washington, USA
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Posted 13 Feb 2017 4:00 pm
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we'll get it sorted.
if that one doesn't work out, we can find you one that does (dpending on how you want to use it, we might want to go with a different delay) |
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Dale McPherson
From: Morristown, Tennessee, USA
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Posted 13 Feb 2017 5:53 pm
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Last Friday I purchased a carbon copy delay and I think I understand what RC is asking about. I am also getting a click when I pick the strings. It does not happen when sliding-only when picking. I have concluded that it is what is referred to as "slap" delay. If I lengthen the delay - it goes away. But all songs do not need a long delay. To me it is very annoying. Maybe some of you guys can tell us how to get rid of it without extending the delay. My wife says the sound is so much better with the delay on but the quick slap when picking is driving me nutty. |
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Antolina
From: Dunkirk NY
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Posted 13 Feb 2017 7:36 pm
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Thank God I have someone else that has the same problem. I never had it with my Ibanez. I've talked with people that have made suggestions that I'll be trying. Whatever I come up with I'll let you know.
PS... My wife also enjoys the sound _________________ The only thing better than doing what you love is having someone that loves you enough to let you do it.
Sho~Bud 6139 3+3
Marrs 3+4
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John Gould
From: Houston, TX Now in Cleveland TX
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Posted 13 Feb 2017 10:17 pm Delay patch
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I always use any time base processing in the effects loop if the amp has one . _________________ A couple of guitars
Nashville 1000 Fender Mustang III Boss Katana MKII 50
Emmons LeGrande II and Sho Bud Pro II |
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Lee Baucum
From: McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier
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Posted 14 Feb 2017 4:42 am
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RC Antolina wrote: |
happens when I strike my pedals to play. |
I'm confused. What do you mean by "strike"?
Are you actually striking, as in hitting, your pedals?
Are you talking about the pedals on your pedal steel guitar or are you referring to "striking" your delay pedal? |
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Antolina
From: Dunkirk NY
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Posted 15 Feb 2017 12:09 pm
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Firs out I want to apologize to anyone I may have confused with my use of improper use of my descriptions. I used my attack all wrong. I should have properly said my attack on the strings alone.
My wall wart arrived today. I couldn't afford any more 9v batteries.
I rewired the connection to take the line to the match box first. The difference was amazing. I don't know the whys or whatever but the "slap" is gone. The settings are now changed and it's all good now. It now sounds like PF describes.
My thanks to the folks that helped me with my problem. _________________ The only thing better than doing what you love is having someone that loves you enough to let you do it.
Sho~Bud 6139 3+3
Marrs 3+4
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