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Brett Lanier


From:
Vermont
Post Posted 22 Jan 2017 1:40 pm     Reply with quote

I started recording demos for a few people at my place, I'm looking to get a couple of affordable mics that will take the quality up a little.

Here's what I'm working with right now

SM57 - lead vocals & acoustic (1 mic for both)
Cheap (free) Bayview large diaphragm - drum overhead (also picks up the bass amp)
SM57 - on steel/guitar amp with some isolation
Bass DI -

I'd like to find something better for the vocals/acoustic and drum overhead. The most important thing here is to keep everyone in one room, without headphones so that there's nothing inhibiting communication or anyones comfort level.

Here are some examples from the other night, just so you can see how easily things can be improved upon Laughing. I learned the hard lesson of keeping your hard drive clear before a session. Lost the last couple takes of both songs where we actually knew the tunes!
https://soundcloud.com/brettlanier/ecb-other-tune
https://soundcloud.com/brettlanier/ecb-company
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Rick Schacter


From:
Portland, Or.
Post Posted 22 Jan 2017 11:08 pm     Reply with quote

The first thing that I'd recommend is putting another mic on the singer/guitar player.
One for the guitar and one for his vocal.
You can reduce bleed through quite a bit by adjusting the mics properly.
You'll need to experiment with that.
BTW, there's nothing wrong with using a 57 to record a vocal track.
If that's the mic that compliments your singers voice, use it.
You can use something like a Cloudlifter and really do a nice recording with that mic.

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/CL2Cloud?adpos=1o1&creative=54989553361&device=m&matchtype=&network=g&product_id=CL2Cloud&gclid=CJqkk-nZ19ECFUtNfgodzjUPzQ

Regarding mic suggestions:
What's your budget and how many mics do you want to buy?
For recording drums, I'd try to at least use two mics
One dynamic mic on the kick and one mic for the overhead.
Most people use a condenser for overheads but I've also seen ribbons being used as overheads too.
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Bob Hoffnar


From:
Austin, Tx
Post Posted 23 Jan 2017 8:32 am     Reply with quote

Depends on what you mean by affordable.

This guys stuff is amazing for the money:

http://www.oktavamod.com/

There are piles of diy companies doing very good work these days.

Whatever you do, do not try out real professional quality studio mics ! They will mess you up and keep you broke and smiling for years.
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Jim Smerk


From:
Ohio, USA
Post Posted 23 Jan 2017 2:57 pm     Reply with quote

I will suggest the mic that I always do, the MXL V67G. Great on vocals, acoustic, drum overheads, and some amp micing duties.

The next best thing I have heard on my voice was a Shure KSM32, a MUCH more expensive mic. Cool
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Brett Lanier


From:
Vermont
Post Posted 23 Jan 2017 8:10 pm     Reply with quote

Thanks guys!

Bob, after looking at Joly's site I realized I've used the Hulk 990 a few times. It was the main demoing mic for a singer I used to play with. Always sounded good to me. My m.o. with recording has been to just do it with whatever I have because of exactly what you said ($$), and I'm well aware of my shortcomings when it comes to music gear. I borrow an API lunchbox whenever I do overdubs from home so I know the difference between good preamps and the hand-me-down interface I'm using. The big problem now is that I'm looking at getting 8 real pre's instead of just 2.

Thanks for the suggestion on the MXL mic Jim. I found the V67G after researching a mic that David Mitchell suggested in another thread; the MXL 2003. I went to the MXL site and it was a little overwhelming how many similar mics they make. Maybe I'll go with one that I have the option of getting modded later.

I'm going to grab a bunch of mics from my friend's studio for the next soiree. I'll probably start with adding an AT 4051 for the acoustic guitar and i know he has a D112 I can use for the kick. After that we'll see where it goes! Last thing I want though is for this to turn into a sterile, lab like scene. This is all about getting songs rolling in the right direction, trying ideas, and documenting them. I've been a part of too many sessions where everyone just nods their heads and tells each other it's great.
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Jim Smerk


From:
Ohio, USA
Post Posted 23 Jan 2017 10:27 pm     Reply with quote

Brett, I have also used the 2003, but IMHO it sounds brittle and hollow beside the V67G.....I know I am biased when it comes to this mic, but it is such a solid mic that I can not help myself! Laughing

The V67G is also a solid mic to mod, with the older ones have a great board to add better caps & such to.

Good Luck in your search! Cool
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Tony Prior


From:
Charlotte NC..
Post Posted 24 Jan 2017 2:12 am     Reply with quote

my two cents, grab a pair of SMALL D mics for overheads, the LD is just too overwhelming. It can pick up the birds outside the window and the mailman down the street.

All of the NET outlets offer some sort of sale on Behringer or CAD SD's mics now and then. Sometimes two for about $50. Inexpensive but easily do the job.

The 57's are great, cannot go wrong with them, ever.
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Erv Niehaus


From:
Litchfield, MN, USA
Post Posted 24 Jan 2017 8:40 am     Reply with quote

Isn't the SM58 more of a vocal mic?
I always thought the SM57 was an instrumental mic.
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Brett Lanier


From:
Vermont
Post Posted 24 Jan 2017 8:53 am     Reply with quote

Yes Erv (cool name),

I have a 58 too but the 57 is a little stronger which allows me to set the mic back a little which sounds better to me in comparison. The 57 having a stronger output could just be my mics. Shure mics can vary a little.
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Tony Prior


From:
Charlotte NC..
Post Posted 25 Jan 2017 2:44 am     Reply with quote

Uhmm..57 vs 58...

Same mic ( UNI III design ) but different front grill ,( removable POP filter) supposedly for different applications, so they say.

Someone forgot to tell the world not to use 57's for vocals.

http://soundhub.audio/faq-whats-the-difference-between-the-sm58-and-the-sm57/
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Brett Lanier


From:
Vermont
Post Posted 30 Jan 2017 8:04 am     Reply with quote

I ran another session but this time I was able to borrow a few nicer mics. Here's what I used.

Vocals - TNC ACM 1200 - Was told it's a C12 clone, tube condenser mic, outboard power supply

Acoustic guitar - Audio Technica 4051 - Amazing sounding mic imo, I've borrowed this mic many times for live dobro use.

Drum overhead - Studio Projects C1 - Didn't like it on vocals but it made for a pretty decent drum sound. Cymbals sounded great. I did end up reamping the overhead through a Standel Imperial amp upstairs in the dining room and blending that in for fun.

Kick - AKG D112 - It's a kick mic! No strong opinion on this one...

57 on the guitar/steel amps and a bass di with a vol/treble boost from a Nobels preamp boost pedal.

Considerable improvements were made by using these mics but no night and day difference which I think just highlights the shortcomings of the preamps and converter I'm using (as well as my engineering abilities). The interface is where I'll be spending my money next, if I can find some. Almost too many good options out there though. I'm looking at Metric Halo, UA Apollo, Apogee, and RME.

https://soundcloud.com/brettlanier/ecb-pennsylvania-1
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Bob Hoffnar


From:
Austin, Tx
Post Posted 30 Jan 2017 12:51 pm     Reply with quote

I am very happy with my RME UCX.

Check out the SPL Crimson.
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