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Larry Carlson


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Post Posted 5 Jan 2017 1:56 pm     Reply with quote

Hello,

I wasn't sure where to post this so I stuck it in here.

Last year I bought a 1939 Rickenbacher Silver Hawaiian.
I love this guitar by the way. Just an amazing little instrument.
The story I got from the owner was it was purchased new, played
for about 7 years and then stored away and never played again.
Included in the case was a Nick Manoloff tone bar.

Out of curiosity I am trying to find out how old this little tone bar is.
It has a patina that is almost olive drab.
It is magnetic.
It is 5/8ths in diameter and 2 7/8ths in length.

I am just curious if this little tone bar is really that old.
It is too small for my hands and I have never used a bullet bar.

Any info would be appreciated.
Everyone have a good day.







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Disclaimer: I am not a professional guitarist but I play one on the internet.
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Erv Niehaus


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Litchfield, MN, USA
Post Posted 5 Jan 2017 2:05 pm     Reply with quote

It could be the same age as the Rick. Very Happy
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Michael Lee Allen


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Des Plaines Illinois just NW of ChIraq
Post Posted 5 Jan 2017 2:19 pm     Reply with quote




Manoloff tone bars from the Wexler 1946/47 or 1948/49 catalog. They were available long before that time period but I don't have those images loaded in this computer. Totally possible that the bar is contemporary with the steel (1939) as they were cataloged by many jobbers in the late 1930's.
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Michael Lee Allen


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Des Plaines Illinois just NW of ChIraq
Post Posted 5 Jan 2017 2:21 pm     Reply with quote



And here's your 1939 Rickenbacker "Silver Hawaiian". Note the "crystal" tone bar listed with the guitar. This page from a 1939 "Continental" catalog
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Larry Carlson


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Post Posted 5 Jan 2017 3:04 pm     Reply with quote

Thanks for the responses.
The catalogue pics are fascinating.

To the best of my knowledge Monoloff was granted a patent in 1937 for a tone bar that was made from Bakelite.
This one obviously is steel.
It is fascinating to me because it is so small.
The bakelite bars were the same length but were 7/8ths in diameter.
This one is only 5/8ths. It gets lost in my hand.
I stumbled across it again a few days ago in the case for the Rick and my curiosity got the best of me.
I know it isn't valuable but it is kind of nice owning a little bit of history.

Everyone have a good day.
_________________
I have stuff.
I try to make music with it.
Sometimes it works.
Sometimes it doesn't.
But I keep on trying.

Disclaimer: I am not a professional guitarist but I play one on the internet.
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Matt Fisher


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Indiana, USA
Post Posted 5 Jan 2017 3:26 pm     Reply with quote

Larry Carlson wrote:

I know it isn't valuable but it is kind of nice owning a little bit of history.


Well maybe not now, but then, holy cow! A $12 bar from that catalog would be about $130 in today's dollars!
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Michael Lee Allen


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Des Plaines Illinois just NW of ChIraq
Post Posted 5 Jan 2017 3:39 pm     Reply with quote

Those aren't twelve dollar bars. They are a dollar apiece. Twelve dollars per dozen! And the smaller size bars were aimed at the student market and small children. Manoloff was basically a music publisher, he put out method books and sheet music and the accessories came later on. I remember his storefront was still there in the late 1960's and early 1970's. On South Ashland Avenue near West 79th Street the area had turned mostly black but still middle class in those days. Now it's a lot worse, being just south of Englewood, Chicago's "murder capitol". There was mention of Manoloff in the old Forum many years ago, that he had died but a son had been located, no real follow-up on that. Pretty sure the storefront had become a warehouse and storage site by the time I saw it, not open to the public anymore. It was gone not long after that.
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Nathan Laudenbach


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Arizona, USA
Post Posted 5 Jan 2017 5:40 pm     Reply with quote

Michael Lee Allen wrote:
Those aren't twelve dollar bars. They are a dollar apiece. Twelve dollars per dozen! And the smaller size bars were aimed at the student market and small children. Manoloff was basically a music publisher, he put out method books and sheet music and the accessories came later on. I remember his storefront was still there in the late 1960's and early 1970's. On South Ashland Avenue near West 79th Street the area had turned mostly black but still middle class in those days. Now it's a lot worse, being just south of Englewood, Chicago's "murder capitol". There was mention of Manoloff in the old Forum many years ago, that he had died but a son had been located, no real follow-up on that. Pretty sure the storefront had become a warehouse and storage site by the time I saw it, not open to the public anymore. It was gone not long after that.
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Turned mostly black? How awful that must have been for all the white people...
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Roy McKinney


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Ontario, OR
Post Posted 5 Jan 2017 6:21 pm     Reply with quote

I have one here that is 2 3/4" long, +/_ 5/8" diameter, "Nick Manoloff" on the base and has a 3/16" diameter hole in the base that is 5/8" deep.
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Matt Fisher


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Indiana, USA
Post Posted 6 Jan 2017 6:26 am     Reply with quote

Michael Lee Allen wrote:
Those aren't twelve dollar bars. They are a dollar apiece. Twelve dollars per dozen!


Ok, that seems a little more reasonable... That's what I get for not reading more closely.

I have one of the bullet bars that has a swirly pink bakelite shell and I really like it. Too short for my console, but great for lap steel.
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David M Brown


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California, USA
Post Posted 6 Jan 2017 6:51 am     Reply with quote

Larry Carlson wrote:
Thanks for the responses.
The catalogue pics are fascinating.

To the best of my knowledge Monoloff was granted a patent in 1937 for a tone bar that was made from Bakelite.
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Matt Fisher wrote:


I have one of the bullet bars that has a swirly pink bakelite shell and I really like it. Too short for my console, but great for lap steel.


I really like the Bakelite ones - I have a couple and love them on 6 string lap steels!
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Michael Lee Allen


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Des Plaines Illinois just NW of ChIraq
Post Posted 10 Jan 2017 9:30 am     Reply with quote

There is a very old posting on this site, from 2007, where a member located Nick Manoloff JUNIOR. He could not make contact after repeated calls and visits. Junior was 70 years old at the time. He's probably gone by now along with any artifacts or history of his father's business.
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