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robert kramer


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Post Posted 13 Oct 2016 7:49 am     Reply with quote

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/14/arts/music/bob-dylan-nobel-prize-literature.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=photo-spot-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

New York Times Op Ed by Billy Wyman:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/29/opinion/sunday/knock-knock-knockin-on-nobels-door.html
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Bill Sinclair


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Hagerstown, Maryland, USA
Post Posted 13 Oct 2016 9:07 am     Reply with quote

Huh. A little surprised, but I get it. Enjoyed the 2013 Wyman article, thanks for linking it.
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Mark Eaton


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Post Posted 13 Oct 2016 10:14 am     Reply with quote

When I heard about this earlier this morning it made my day.

Like great poetry from the likes of T.S. Eliot the lyrics of many of Bob's songs have held up over time and have evolved to take on different meanings for me over the decades.
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Mark Hershey


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Post Posted 14 Oct 2016 8:00 am     Reply with quote

"You have many contacts
Among the lumberjacks
To get you facts
When someone attacks your imagination
But nobody has any respect
Anyway they already expect you
To just give a check
To tax-deductible charity organizations
"

Nothing like the potent poetry of Bob Dylan. Well deserved and I'm glad a musician won it.
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Barry Blackwood


Post Posted 20 Oct 2016 8:12 am     Reply with quote

Update.
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/oct/20/bob-dylan-website-acknowledges-nobel-prize-win-after-five-day-wait
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Charlie McDonald


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Post Posted 20 Oct 2016 8:59 am     Reply with quote

I think that those who think it's 'bad manners' haven't followed Dylan through the years. I also think he's been humbled over the years.

Now some want him to decline the award. Sheesh.

He gets my vote too.

In the dime stores and bus stations
People talk of situations
Read books, repeat quotations
Draw conclusions on the wall
Some speak of the future
My love, she speaks softly
She knows there's no success like failure
And that failure's no success at all
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Barry Blackwood


Post Posted 21 Oct 2016 5:13 pm     Reply with quote

Update II - on again, off again... Rolling Eyes
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/oct/21/bob-dylan-unacknowledges-nobel-prize-literature-win-removed-website
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Mark Hershey


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Post Posted 24 Oct 2016 3:58 pm     Reply with quote

Barry Blackwood wrote:
Update II - on again, off again... Rolling Eyes
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/oct/21/bob-dylan-unacknowledges-nobel-prize-literature-win-removed-website


He's always been a philosophical guy, he must have his reasons for not wanting to acknowledge it. It would be great if he let on what the issue was.
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Donny Hinson


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Post Posted 25 Oct 2016 6:35 am     Reply with quote

Mark Hershey wrote:
"You have many contacts
Among the lumberjacks
To get you facts...


So, then...I guess this is from a song about forestry? Confused
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Joachim Kettner


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Post Posted 25 Oct 2016 8:06 am     Reply with quote

Donny Hinson wrote:
Mark Hershey wrote:
"You have many contacts
Among the lumberjacks
To get you facts...


So, then...I guess this is from a song about
forestry? Confused


I seem to recall that this is part of "Ballad Of A Thin Man". Is it Mark?
"Mama Told Me Not To Come" by Randy Newman is (for me) in a similar vein.
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Mark Hershey


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Post Posted 26 Oct 2016 8:30 am     Reply with quote

Donny Hinson wrote:
Mark Hershey wrote:
"You have many contacts
Among the lumberjacks
To get you facts...


So, then...I guess this is from a song about forestry? Confused


Ha!

From the middle 8 of Ballad of a thin Man---

This is a good description of the song taken from Wikipedia

"Dylan's song revolves around the mishaps of a Mr. Jones, who keeps blundering into strange situations, and the more questions he asks, the less the world makes sense to him. Critic Andy Gill called the song "one of Dylan's most unrelenting inquisitions, a furious, sneering, dressing-down of a hapless bourgeois intruder into the hipster world of freaks and weirdoes which Dylan now inhabited.""
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Mark Hershey


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Post Posted 26 Oct 2016 8:37 am     Reply with quote

Joachim Kettner wrote:
Donny Hinson wrote:
Mark Hershey wrote:
"You have many contacts
Among the lumberjacks
To get you facts...


So, then...I guess this is from a song about
forestry? Confused


I seem to recall that this is part of "Ballad Of A Thin Man". Is it Mark?
"Mama Told Me Not To Come" by Randy Newman is (for me) in a similar vein.


First time listening to this song, not sure I can pick up the connection between this song and 'Ballad of a Thin Man' but I definitely hear the Dylan influence.
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Joachim Kettner


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Post Posted 26 Oct 2016 8:46 am     Reply with quote

You seem to be to young to remember the Three Dog Night hit song?
The connection for me is: both men feel out of place and time.
And I have the feelin that Donny Hinson is not exactly a Dylan fan. Pure sarcasm on his part, I suppose.
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Mark Eaton


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Post Posted 26 Oct 2016 10:04 am     Reply with quote

I always preferred Randy's original version of Mama Told Me Not To Come to the hit version by Three Dog Night.

The way Randy sang it captured the vibe better for me - the angst. But I doubt Randy complained about the royalty checks he received from the Three Dog Night version. Wink

I've read elsewhere online where folks have taken the time to have somewhat of an issue with Dylan winning the Nobel for literature, but I would be willing to be that very few of these same people could even name any of the winners of the prize over the past 10 years.
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Mark Hershey


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Post Posted 26 Oct 2016 10:24 am     Reply with quote

Joachim Kettner wrote:
You seem to be to young to remember the Three Dog Night hit song?
The connection for me is: both men feel out of place and time.
And I have the feelin that Donny Hinson is not exactly a Dylan fan. Pure sarcasm on his part, I suppose.


Yeah, I detected that as well. That's okay I've heard from plenty of people that don't like Dylan's music and have heard just about every reason why. Hasn't stopped me at all from enjoying his work.

Just listened to the Three Dog Night version, pretty cool. I've heard a lot of their songs on the radio but don't recall hearing this tune before.

Kind of reminded me of the Them cover of "It's All Over Now Baby Blue".
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Joachim Kettner


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Post Posted 26 Oct 2016 10:55 am     Reply with quote

Mark Eaton wrote:
I always preferred Randy's original version of Mama Told Me Not To Come to the hit version by Three Dog Night.

The way Randy sang it captured the vibe better for me - the angst. But I doubt Randy complained about the royalty checks he received from the Three Dog Night version. Wink


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Joachim Kettner


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Post Posted 26 Oct 2016 11:01 am     Reply with quote

Mark Hershey wrote:
. That's okay I've heard from plenty of people that don't like Dylan's music and have heard just about every reason why. Hasn't stopped me at all from enjoying his work.


Me too!
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Donny Hinson


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Post Posted 27 Oct 2016 3:49 pm     Reply with quote

Joachim Kettner wrote:
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And I have the feelin that Donny Hinson is not exactly a Dylan fan. Pure sarcasm on his part, I suppose.


Not really. Some of Dylan's stuff was wonderful (Don't Think Twice It's Alright, It Ain't Me Babe, All I really Want To Do), but the comment was more about when famous songwriters (not only Dylan) seem to "run off the tracks". They experiment with non-sensical stuff...I think... just to see if it'll sell. They pick words that make no sense in the context of the song, and instead, just drift off and substitute anything that rhymes. Jimmy Webb's MacArthur Park is another great example. It's a super-memorable classic with wonderful melody and rhyme, but it doesn't make much sense. Most everything else he did was great.
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Barry Blackwood


Post Posted 27 Oct 2016 6:24 pm     Reply with quote

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Jimmy Webb's MacArthur Park is another great example. It's a super-memorable classic with wonderful melody and rhyme, but it doesn't make much sense. Most everything else he did was great.

So you're saying then that because MacArthur Park didn't make much sense, it's not as great as his other work?
Many people didn't get 2001:A Space Odyssey either, but that doesn't mean it wasn't a cinematic masterpiece...
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Donny Hinson


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Post Posted 27 Oct 2016 9:06 pm     Reply with quote

Barry Blackwood wrote:

So you're saying then that because MacArthur Park didn't make much sense, it's not as great as his other work?.


Yes, exactly. To me, songwriting is an art, and a lot of the beauty of a song comes from how the words are crafted, how well the story is told. If you choose to feel otherwise, that's fine with me. Neutral
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Joachim Kettner


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Post Posted 28 Oct 2016 4:02 am     Reply with quote

Mr. Jones from "Ballad Of A Thin Man" get's a mention in "Yer Blues" by the Beatles.
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Mark Hershey


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Post Posted 28 Oct 2016 5:39 am     Reply with quote

Barry Blackwood wrote:
Quote:
Jimmy Webb's MacArthur Park is another great example. It's a super-memorable classic with wonderful melody and rhyme, but it doesn't make much sense. Most everything else he did was great.

So you're saying then that because MacArthur Park didn't make much sense, it's not as great as his other work?
Many people didn't get 2001:A Space Odyssey either, but that doesn't mean it wasn't a cinematic masterpiece...


A lot of Dylan's lyrics are impressionistic. They do not paint a precise picture but they absolutely describe a feeling or an experience.
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Bill Sinclair


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Hagerstown, Maryland, USA
Post Posted 28 Oct 2016 7:13 am     Reply with quote

Barry Blackwood wrote:
Quote:
Jimmy Webb's MacArthur Park is another great example. It's a super-memorable classic with wonderful melody and rhyme, but it doesn't make much sense. Most everything else he did was great.

So you're saying then that because MacArthur Park didn't make much sense, it's not as great as his other work?
..


Lyrically, no. Doesn't hold a "candle" to "Wichita Lineman", "By the Time I Get to Phoenix" or any of his other hits. But what the heck, it's Jimmy Webb. He had more musical talent in his little finger at age 19 than I've managed to muster in a lifetime.
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Erv Niehaus


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Litchfield, MN, USA
Post Posted 28 Oct 2016 7:39 am     Reply with quote

My spin on him getting the award is that the committee must be running low on likely candidates. Whoa!
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Barry Blackwood


Post Posted 28 Oct 2016 8:02 am     Reply with quote

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Barry Blackwood wrote:

So you're saying then that because MacArthur Park didn't make much sense, it's not as great as his other work?.


Yes, exactly. To me, songwriting is an art, and a lot of the beauty of a song comes from how the words are crafted, how well the story is told.

I agree, but not to the detriment of MacArthur Park...
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