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Topic: How many guitar masters "master" pedal steel? |
Jonathan Shacklock
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Jim Cohen
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Philadelphia, PA
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Posted 25 Jun 2016 4:51 am |
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Well, without discussing Jerry specifically, there is still a very large gap between "decent" and "master". Pick one and then we can discuss, because, IMO, the answer will be different depending on which one you pick...
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chris ivey
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Posted 25 Jun 2016 7:00 am
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if you're asking how many really good steel players are also really good guitar players, i bet you'll
find more than you can count. |
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Jim Cohen
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Posted 25 Jun 2016 7:07 am
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Some people who come immediately to mind include:
Tom Morrell
Junior Brown
Jr. Knight
Sid Hudson
Roger Rettig
Gerry Hogan
Chuck Back
Carco Clave
Buzz Evans
... and many more I just can't think of right now...
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Mark Eaton
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Posted 25 Jun 2016 7:24 am
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The late great Al Vescovo.
There are some great pedal steel players who have doubled on guitar for session work. A few that come to mind: Russ Pahl, Bruce Bouton, Dan Dugmore
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Jeff Garden
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Center Sandwich, New Hampshire, USA
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Posted 25 Jun 2016 7:30 am
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Jonathan Shacklock
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London, UK
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Posted 25 Jun 2016 7:45 am
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Definitely more than I could name then. I think the part that I'm curious about is established guitarists who've made a name for themselves and then been required, or decided to double on steel.
Sturgill Simpson has confidence in his man, maybe "decent" is all that's required in this case, maybe he'll go beyond that. Dan Dugmore and Robbie Turner played on the records - I'd say the the bar was high but he almost certainly won't be required to recreate their parts.
A high level of musicality, taste, imagination and confidence count for a lot I imagine. Not to mention determination. |
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Jim Robbins
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Ontario, Canada
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Posted 25 Jun 2016 7:47 am
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| Jeff Baxter |
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Joachim Kettner
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Germany
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Posted 25 Jun 2016 8:51 am
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Russ Hicks could have made it in the James Burton vein.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQ4jmeB5LMw
I agree with Jim Cohen on Gerry Hogan.
I don't think ther are anymore semi famous names than Skunk and Jerry Garcia who played, maybe Rick Derringer if he kept at it.
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Bob Blair
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Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
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Posted 25 Jun 2016 9:06 am
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| I agree with Chris - more than you can count. And the musical knowledge that applies to one instrument applies to another, so to a significant degree what you learn on one instrument transfers to another. |
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Bob Ricker
From:
Nashville Tn
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Posted 25 Jun 2016 9:07 am
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| I saw John Jorgensen play the steel with Elton John. |
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Ian Worley
From:
Sacramento, CA
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Posted 25 Jun 2016 7:36 pm
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| Milo Deering |
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Brint Hannay
From:
Maryland, USA
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Posted 25 Jun 2016 9:25 pm
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Milo Deering--yes!! Fiddle, mandolin and banjo, too! (It just ain't fair.)
Jim's list is excellent.
A couple I wonder about, i.e. how are they coming along? Dave Biller and Redd Volkaert. I wouldn't bet against 'em. |
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Jim Fogarty
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Phila, Pa, USA
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Posted 25 Jun 2016 11:21 pm
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Jim Cohen's list is good, but he forgot someone.........
Jim Cohen
You all know he's a hell of a steel player, but Jim has turned himself into an excellent jazz guitarist over the past few years.
BTW, Ron Wood isn't great, but he's long been a very enthusiastic steel player. Steve Howe as well. |
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Jim Fogarty
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Phila, Pa, USA
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Posted 25 Jun 2016 11:21 pm
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Jim Cohen's list is good, but he forgot someone.........
Jim Cohen
You all know he's a hell of a steel player, but Jim has turned himself into an excellent jazz guitarist over the past few years.
BTW, Ron Wood isn't great, but he's long been a very enthusiastic steel player. Steve Howe as well. |
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Marco Schouten
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Amsterdam, The Netherlands
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Posted 26 Jun 2016 3:26 am
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Buddy Merrill
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Craig Baker
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Posted 26 Jun 2016 5:23 am
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The best kept secret is Ken Fox. Plays great steel, plays great guitar and builds great amps to play them through.
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Jonathan Shacklock
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London, UK
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Posted 26 Jun 2016 6:46 am
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| Joachim Kettner wrote: |
Russ Hicks could have made it in the James Burton vein.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQ4jmeB5LMw
I agree with Jim Cohen on Gerry Hogan.
I don't think ther are anymore semi famous names than Skunk and Jerry Garcia who played, maybe Rick Derringer if he kept at it. |
No kidding on that Russ Hicks clip Joachim! I didn't know Rick Derringer played steel.  |
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Christopher Woitach
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Portland, Oregon, USA
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Posted 26 Jun 2016 7:52 am
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Dang!
Someone beat me to the punch! I have been watching Jim Cohen's progress on jazz guitar very closely, and he is a great example here, just going the other direction from steel to guitar. Amazing player on both!
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scott murray
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Posted 26 Jun 2016 11:21 am
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a few more that pop to mind
Terry Cristoffersen
Johnny Paycheck
Curly Chalker
Rusty Young
Hank DeVito
Barry Sless
Daniel Lanois
Greg Leisz
Dean Parks
and I never got to hear the Big E play guitar, but something tells me he got by ok 
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Bill Cunningham
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Atlanta, Ga. USA
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Posted 26 Jun 2016 2:47 pm
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I once heard that Tommy White can really shread heavy metal.
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Paddy Long
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Christchurch, New Zealand
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Posted 26 Jun 2016 3:20 pm
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I think the reason for this is that a lot of really good steel players started out playing guitar first, and probably mastered it pretty well before they took up Pedal Steel.
I started playing guitar when I was 12, but didn't sit down to PSG until my mid 20's.
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Bryan Staddon
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Buffalo,New York,
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Posted 26 Jun 2016 5:13 pm Double duty
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Seen Nils Lofgren play some nice steel, and I agree Jeff Baxter seemed really good at both.
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chris ivey
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california (deceased)
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Posted 26 Jun 2016 5:42 pm
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| i heard curly was a monster guitarist! |
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Bill Cunningham
From:
Atlanta, Ga. USA
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Posted 26 Jun 2016 5:54 pm
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| chris ivey wrote: |
| i heard curly was a monster guitarist! |
In 1974 or 75 I was in high school and attended the CMA awards show and party (it was the year Charlie Rich burned John Denver's award). At the awards party afterwards, Curly was playing an ES-355 in the jazz band that was providing the background music. I was already a fan, recognized him, introduced myself, and asked some questions when they were on a break. He was cordial which I didn't expect based on his legacy. I remember the old clarinet player saying "Hell Chalker don't you have a book or something you can sell this kid!"
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Bill Cunningham
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No need to discuss Jerry specifically.
