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Topic: Lifting a D10... |
Dave Stroud
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Posted 15 Jun 2016 10:10 pm |
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The steel is faced the right way in the first few drawings, and the wrong way in the last... but this may work for either side. I thought rubber strips would help for a more tactile surface to roll on... A dusty wooden floor can get kinda slippery sometimes. It probably wouldn't even be needed on carpet.
Possibly a custom leg stopper to make rolling it forward easier?
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Jack Stoner
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Posted 16 Jun 2016 2:29 am
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I don't like it. It puts too much pressure on the legs when setting it upright. Eventually it will damage (loosen) the legs.
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Dave Stroud
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Posted 16 Jun 2016 4:30 am
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Dave Stroud
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Posted 16 Jun 2016 4:41 am
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| I could be wrong in these assumptions... but wouldn't the two legs supported by the pedal bar be sturdier than the back two legs? It seems like the pedal bar would take away alot of room for horizontal play. |
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Jack Stoner
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Kansas City, MO
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Posted 16 Jun 2016 4:48 am
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My 2 cents, there is still a lot of stress on the front legs. Eventually the threaded leg inserts are going to loosen (at a minimum).
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Jon Light
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Saugerties, NY
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Posted 16 Jun 2016 5:03 am
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I'm not being a reflexive nay-sayer here but my thoughts, before seeing Jack's post, were the same. The lateral pressure of the weight on the legs as it's going up transfer to the body so this stresses every joint in the body-box. It would have to take its toll.
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Dick Wood
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Springtown Texas, USA
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Posted 16 Jun 2016 5:04 am
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Dave,are you in any way possibly related to Rube Goldberg?
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Jon Light
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Saugerties, NY
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Posted 16 Jun 2016 5:26 am
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On thing that does help is setting the case down on a table. Assembling the guitar at that level is so much easier on the back.
And then lifting and flipping it (the one front leg, one back leg grip, up at the leg/body joint, spinning the body upward, toward your chest as you back away or pivot from the case so the legs can clear it) is less of a back strain.
This all presumes that there are physical issues (bad back, etc.) that make handling the guitar more difficult than normal. Otherwise, it really shouldn't be that hard. |
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Donny Hinson
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Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 16 Jun 2016 5:32 am
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Notes on setting up heavy guitars:
I once had a sever back injury, and worked out the easiest method...for me.
First: Pedal bar (front of the guitar) should be on the hinge-side of the case! That way, it's not in your way when lifting the guitar out and flipping it over.
Second: If you can stoop down, rest your elbows on your knees, grab a front and rear leg where they join the cabinet, and then slowly stand and rotate the guitar forward (pedal bar away from you), stepping back to clear the case. Keep the guitar body very close to your body, then continue to rotate the guitar until the front legs are on the ground.  |
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Dave Stroud
From:
Texas
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Posted 16 Jun 2016 5:54 am
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| Dick Wood wrote: |
| Dave,are you in any way possibly related to Rube Goldberg? |
Lol, no Dick!! but I can say I've had some pretty crazy ideas... I think a dispenser machine that takes exact measurements of different kitchen ingredients would be neat, so you could program anything you want to make, and make it happen with a push of a button...  |
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Dave Stroud
From:
Texas
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Posted 16 Jun 2016 5:57 am
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| BTW I don't have any issues lifting my D10... But I do notice plenty of guys out there who want to get rid of their D10 for something lighter... It'd be nice to come up with a solution for them. It may not be one of my silly ideas! but maybe someone can come up with a solution... |
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Henry Matthews
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Texarkana, Ark USA
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Posted 16 Jun 2016 6:03 am
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Well, back to the old discussion but I don't case my guitar unless I'm going to be on road (driving)a long time. Then if it's cased and I have to put together, I always enlist help to upright it and put it back in case. There's always someone around and two people are much easier.
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Erv Niehaus
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Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 16 Jun 2016 7:32 am
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Dave,
By the time you get your guitar set up, do you have any time for playing?  |
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Dave Stroud
From:
Texas
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Posted 16 Jun 2016 8:49 am
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Dave,
By the time you get your guitar set up, do you have any time for playing? |
If an older gentleman out there has trouble setting up his D10, does he play very much at all? If there were an easier way, they might enjoy a few more years of playing out. My grandpa plays out a few times a week but after a life of hard work on the farm he's starting to slow down quite a bit... He only plays guitar, which is easy enough to carry, but what if he loved playing a D10 steel? He probably wouldn't be out of the house much at all with an instrument like that. I imagine he'd get tired of playing by himself at home and just sell it. But if there was an easier way to manage it... This idea came about only for the benefit of those older folk. |
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Dave Stroud
From:
Texas
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Posted 16 Jun 2016 8:53 am
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| I'm not saying this is a really good idea, but would it really take that much more time to pull on a strap rather than pick it up and flip it upside down? Seems like something of the sorts would be a great value of effort vs time for some people. |
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Erv Niehaus
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Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 16 Jun 2016 8:58 am
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Dave,
If your grandpa has trouble setting up his instrument, that's what grandsons are for. |
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Dave Stroud
From:
Texas
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Posted 16 Jun 2016 9:00 am
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| Exactly! I'm always happy to help him... when I'm on that side of the state (and Texas is a little big ) |
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 17 Jun 2016 3:52 pm
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I have reopened this at OP's request. Looking forward to seeing his pictures.
My method is to put the case on my seat, open it, attach legs and pedal bar, grab one front leg and one back leg, lift it out and flip it over. From Winnie Winston's book:
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Bud Angelotti
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Larryville, NJ, USA
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Posted 17 Jun 2016 4:14 pm
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Hey bOb - Thats my favorite picture from that great book! I love his suit!
Seriously though folks, the only problem with that picture is he is not bending his knees. If you bend your knees the weight gets distributed throughout the body instead of on the poor aching back.
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Craig Baker
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Eatonton, Georgia, USA - R.I.P.
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Posted 17 Jun 2016 4:17 pm
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b0b,
Now you've done it. . . you've created the $64,000 question. Who is the steel player in the photos?
Could it be George Edwards, or possibly George Sell, a former builder of steel guitars in the Philadelphia area.
Not certain what brand the guitar is.
Respectfully,
Craig Baker
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 17 Jun 2016 4:42 pm
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| george e. sell with a beautiful ges steel. |
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Dave Stroud
From:
Texas
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Posted 17 Jun 2016 5:01 pm
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| Jack Stoner wrote: |
| My 2 cents, there is still a lot of stress on the front legs. Eventually the threaded leg inserts are going to loosen (at a minimum). |
I agree, Jack, that indeed is one of the flaws of this design. And I'm sure it wouldn't be worth the gamble for your Franklin! I'd be interested to see what some of the builders have to say about the strength of the connection of the legs to the body. If the manufacturers didn't feel it would be strong enough for this kind of stress, is there a simple way to reinforce that connection? |
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Curry Coster
From:
Glen Burnie, MD USA
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Posted 17 Jun 2016 6:07 pm
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| According to Winnie's book Earl Sexton posed for the photos in the book..........he's a steeler from Maryland, I believe......although not a forum member as far as I know..... |
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 17 Jun 2016 6:27 pm
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really..i just assumed it was george cause they
mentioned his GES steel.
maybe someone will give me my book eventually so i
can check these things.
the memory may fade but the pedal steel book
will never die! |
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Dan Robinson
From:
Colorado, USA
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Posted 17 Jun 2016 6:36 pm
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| chris ivey wrote: |
| maybe someone will give me my book eventually so i can check these things. |
What a relief! I thought I was the only guy who doesn't have Winnie's book.
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