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Topic: emmons or day set up ? |
Calvin Walley
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colorado city colorado, USA
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Posted 6 Mar 2016 1:38 pm |
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i will soon be buying a new pedal steel but i have been thinking about the day set up
i have always played the Emmons set up and in over 20 years only sat down at one guitar
that had the day set up and i'm not even sure if i'm remembering that right
you day player's correct me if i'm wrong
but i think the pedals from left to right go C B A is that correct ?
for those of you that have played several of both which do you like and why ?
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Mullen SD-10 /nashville 400
gotta love a Mullen!!!
Guitars that i have owned in order are :
Mullen SD-10,Simmons SD-10,Mullen SD-10,Zum stage one,Carter starter,
Sho-Bud Mavrick |
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Jeff Mead
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London, England
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Posted 6 Mar 2016 2:18 pm
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Yes, CBA
If knee E raise/lowers on the left knee they will be reversed too. |
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Ian Rae
From:
Redditch, England
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Posted 6 Mar 2016 2:33 pm
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I play Day because my first PSG was set up that way and I didn't know enough to change it or care enough to try - I just wanted to get playing. But I was glad of it when I switched to a universal because A and 5 next to each other are very useful.
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Donny Hinson
From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 6 Mar 2016 2:39 pm
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| I like the Day because it puts the most used (A&B) pedals closer to the center of the guitar, and that also seems to work better when it comes to using the left knee. (I never use the B-C combination with a lever.) |
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Calvin Walley
From:
colorado city colorado, USA
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Posted 6 Mar 2016 3:33 pm
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Jeff
so your saying that LKL would lower the E and LKR would
raise the E....mmmmmm never considered that
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proud parent of a sailor
Mullen SD-10 /nashville 400
gotta love a Mullen!!!
Guitars that i have owned in order are :
Mullen SD-10,Simmons SD-10,Mullen SD-10,Zum stage one,Carter starter,
Sho-Bud Mavrick |
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Jerry Overstreet
From:
Louisville Ky
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Posted 6 Mar 2016 3:38 pm
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It makes absolutely no difference. If you've been playing Emmons set-up for 20 yrs., I believe it would be a mistake to switch now. Yes, you can adapt but it may take a lot of time, even years, to retrain your muscle memory. There is no benefit to one over the other.
If anything, according to John Fabian and Bud Carter, there is more detuning, cabinet drop, whatever with pedals closer to the center of the guitar.
Last edited by Jerry Overstreet on 6 Mar 2016 3:45 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Calvin Walley
From:
colorado city colorado, USA
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Posted 6 Mar 2016 3:44 pm
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Jerry
i always heard that it made no difference but i have always been intrigued by the Day set up
and what Donny said makes a lot of sense to me
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proud parent of a sailor
Mullen SD-10 /nashville 400
gotta love a Mullen!!!
Guitars that i have owned in order are :
Mullen SD-10,Simmons SD-10,Mullen SD-10,Zum stage one,Carter starter,
Sho-Bud Mavrick |
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Jerry Overstreet
From:
Louisville Ky
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Posted 6 Mar 2016 3:46 pm
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| Your deal. Go for it! |
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Jeff Mead
From:
London, England
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Posted 6 Mar 2016 3:47 pm
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| Calvin Walley wrote: |
Jeff
so your saying that LKL would lower the E and LKR would
raise the E....mmmmmm never considered that |
That's right - the E lower is often used in conjunction with the B pedal and the E raise with the A pedal so on a Day setup this is the most ergonomic way to do it.
It is also intuitive (to me at least) that raising is to the right and lowering to the left (the same direction as I would move the bar to raise or lower a note).
I also find it more comfortable to have the A&B pedals a little more towards the center of the guitar - when I put my leg between the levers, my foot is just over them.
I think a lot is to do with what you are used to though - I've not heard of many experienced players deciding to move from one to the other. |
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Calvin Walley
From:
colorado city colorado, USA
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Posted 6 Mar 2016 3:52 pm
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on the Mullen that you see in my picture
i took that guitar back to Mullen
( only about 100 miles from where I live )
and had them move all the pedals over to the right about 1 pedal space
that made it much more comfortable to play
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proud parent of a sailor
Mullen SD-10 /nashville 400
gotta love a Mullen!!!
Guitars that i have owned in order are :
Mullen SD-10,Simmons SD-10,Mullen SD-10,Zum stage one,Carter starter,
Sho-Bud Mavrick |
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Thiel Hatt
From:
Utah, USA
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Posted 6 Mar 2016 5:02 pm
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| It all comes out the same on the top of the guitar,as Jimmy Day once said. It's not the most popular but it is and was used by some great musicians, like John Hughey, Hal Rugg, Ron Elliott, Jeff Newman, Jimmy Day, Tommy White and Norm Hamlet just to name a few. I've been a Day player for 66 years. I like it that way.I don't think there really is a BEST way. |
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 6 Mar 2016 5:27 pm
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Playing pedal steel since 1950?!?!?
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Thiel Hatt
From:
Utah, USA
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Posted 6 Mar 2016 5:55 pm
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| Playing steel guitar since 1950 ? Yes-- Pedal steel since 1961.....Excuse the lack of clarification on my part. There, now my entry makes more sense. |
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Tony Glassman
From:
The Great Northwest
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Posted 6 Mar 2016 6:02 pm
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| Jerry Overstreet wrote: |
It makes absolutely no difference. If you've been playing Emmons set-up for 20 yrs., I believe it would be a mistake to switch now. Yes, you can adapt but it may take a lot of time, even years, to retrain your muscle memory. There is no benefit to one over the other.
If anything, according to John Fabian and Bud Carter, there is more detuning, cabinet drop, whatever with pedals closer to the center of the guitar. |
I agree w/ Jerry on both points! |
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Lyle Clary
From:
Decatur, Illinois, KC9VCB
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Posted 6 Mar 2016 6:35 pm
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I switched from Day to Emmons about 10 years ago after playing Day for 30 years. The main advantage for me on the Day setup was my left ankle was easier to twist from right to left that left to right to roll on and off A and B pedals. I lower my E's on my right leg so that was no part of the equation. You will choose wisely if you choose Emmons setup.
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Rich Upright
From:
Florida, USA
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Posted 6 Mar 2016 6:41 pm
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Only problem with Day setup is when you go to buy a new guitar, most are setup Emmons & you will hafta change over, which is a PITA.
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Calvin Walley
From:
colorado city colorado, USA
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Posted 6 Mar 2016 7:10 pm
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if memory serves me,
the only guitar i ever sat down at
with the Day set up was Bobby Bowmans ,
i remember it being awkward but not bad
i will give it a lot of thought before i change but
i'm still considering it
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proud parent of a sailor
Mullen SD-10 /nashville 400
gotta love a Mullen!!!
Guitars that i have owned in order are :
Mullen SD-10,Simmons SD-10,Mullen SD-10,Zum stage one,Carter starter,
Sho-Bud Mavrick |
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Dom Franco
From:
Beaverton, OR, 97007
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Posted 7 Mar 2016 1:04 am
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I know I'm in the minority but I play with the Day setup. My 1st pedal steel came set up that way and I didn't know any better till months later. It was too difficult to change it, (An old Fender cable guitar) with hand made knee levers.
So I stuck with it all these years, and had my new pedal steel set up to match it.
Dom
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Charlie McDonald
From:
out of the blue
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Posted 7 Mar 2016 6:32 am
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| I just like having E lowers to the left and raises to the right, and it works beautifully with Day pedals. |
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Calvin Walley
From:
colorado city colorado, USA
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Posted 7 Mar 2016 9:13 am
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thank each and every one of you for your replys
you have given me a lot of insight
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proud parent of a sailor
Mullen SD-10 /nashville 400
gotta love a Mullen!!!
Guitars that i have owned in order are :
Mullen SD-10,Simmons SD-10,Mullen SD-10,Zum stage one,Carter starter,
Sho-Bud Mavrick |
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Ken Byng
From:
Southampton, England
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Posted 7 Mar 2016 9:22 am
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I am a Day player of 40 plus years. I was in Bobbe Seymour's store one time, and asked him if he had any of his guitars on the shop floor set up in Day mode. He simply asked me "Why"?
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Show Pro D10 - amber (8+6), MSA D10 Legend XL Signature - redburst (9+6), Sho-Bud Pro 111 Custom (8+6), Emmons black Push-Pull D10 (8+5), Zum D10 (8x8), Hudson pedal resonator. Telonics TCA-500, Webb 614-E, |
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Calvin Walley
From:
colorado city colorado, USA
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Posted 7 Mar 2016 10:39 am
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what Donny and Jeff says makes a lot of sense to me as
to the ergonomics of it
and the more i think about it
the more it makes sense to lower the Es with LKL and rise them with LKR
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proud parent of a sailor
Mullen SD-10 /nashville 400
gotta love a Mullen!!!
Guitars that i have owned in order are :
Mullen SD-10,Simmons SD-10,Mullen SD-10,Zum stage one,Carter starter,
Sho-Bud Mavrick |
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Henry Matthews
From:
Texarkana, Ark USA
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Posted 7 Mar 2016 11:02 am
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I'm a Day player even though I started with Emmons set up. Day just makes a lot more sense and easier to operate for me. The only down side I can see is as stated above, more cabinet drop because pedals A & B closer to center of guitar (which I can't hear anyway) and the fact that probably 90% of others play Emmons set up which makes setting in on others guitars a problem. I can play both but not near as efficient on backwards guitars.
I'm really disgusted that the guitar vendors at the steel shows usually don't have a Day guitar for you to try. Carter steels always had a couple Day set up guitars when they were in business. Emmons always did in St. Louis also back in the good old days.
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Henry Matthews
D-10 Magnum, 8 &5, dark rose color
D-10 1974 Emmons cut tail, fat back,rosewood, 8&5
Nashville 112 amp, Fishman Loudbox Performer amp, Hilton pedal, Goodrich pedal,BJS bar, Kyser picks, Live steel Strings. No effects, doodads or stomp boxes. |
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Calvin Walley
From:
colorado city colorado, USA
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Posted 7 Mar 2016 11:11 am
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Henry
how long did you play the Emmons before switching to the day ?
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proud parent of a sailor
Mullen SD-10 /nashville 400
gotta love a Mullen!!!
Guitars that i have owned in order are :
Mullen SD-10,Simmons SD-10,Mullen SD-10,Zum stage one,Carter starter,
Sho-Bud Mavrick |
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Henry Matthews
From:
Texarkana, Ark USA
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Posted 7 Mar 2016 11:21 am
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It was when I first started pedal steel and I would say over a year. The A pedal (B's to C#) was always awkward for me with Emmons set up and when I sat down at a Day set up, I said, now this is much easier so I swapped my guitar over and have never looked back.
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Henry Matthews
D-10 Magnum, 8 &5, dark rose color
D-10 1974 Emmons cut tail, fat back,rosewood, 8&5
Nashville 112 amp, Fishman Loudbox Performer amp, Hilton pedal, Goodrich pedal,BJS bar, Kyser picks, Live steel Strings. No effects, doodads or stomp boxes. |
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