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Topic: Pedal Steel Guitar Movie in the making ? |
basilh
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Posted 18 Oct 2015 5:58 am |
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Can they not get some "Experts" on their team. ?
Interesting, but at times the sources are a little flawed or a least slightly misrepresented..It seems to be very USA centric-ally orientated..
What about Europe and its influence on the Steel Guitar ? They seem to be badly advised and researched IMHO.
The Guitar Bud Isaacs is pictured with initially is a Gibson Multiharp and NOT a Bigsby, and that's whilst the soundtrack commentary is talking about a Bigsby ?..The guitar he's pictured with later is a Fender 800..
http://www.steelguitarmovie.com/home
The idea is great but the implementation so far is somewhat 'grating'
God help them, or at the very least let one or two of our aficionados and musicologists help them..
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Don Crowl
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Posted 18 Oct 2015 10:10 am
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| Hope I'm not off-base, but I think it would be good if they could use you as an information & coordination source. Maybe you could volunteer? They would certainly end with a more effective result, especially to many acquainted with steel. |
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basilh
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Posted 18 Oct 2015 7:17 pm
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It's possible to put together a team of three university professors, specialist in ethnomusicology and American Music history, and also find 4 world renowned musicologist/collector/librarians. That's what's really needed..Maybe if this fails as it appears to have done, then we could get them to do it properly.
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Jacques Gabelout
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Posted 6 Dec 2016 10:40 am hommage to Bud Isaacs..
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We see above a photo of the great disappeared playing on a Multiharp Gibson! Please give us links to hear this instrument played by others than Nickie (Bud or Basilh for example)
Thank you!
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Jim Cohen
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Posted 6 Dec 2016 11:27 am
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| Maybe if this fails as it appears to have don[e], then we could try and do it properly. |
Easier to throw stones than to build a house...
What makes you believe it has failed? Wishful thinking, perhaps...?
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basilh
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Posted 6 Dec 2016 4:32 pm
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Wishful thinking ? hell no I don't wish it to fail Jim, what on earth gave you that impression. All I intimated was that it would appear that it's doomed to failure because of the lack of expertise, diligence and scope.
Well, on reflection, yes; but not wishful in a selfish way but in a "I wish they had done it better as it makes the steel guitar world appear to be Central USA only" way.
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Easier to throw stones than to build a house...
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An overused cliché, totally inappropriate in this case as the initial post pointed out two glaring and VERY relevant errors that almost any weekend warrior or bedroom bandit steel guitarist would not have made.
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Bud Angelotti
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Posted 7 Dec 2016 2:37 pm
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Basil, I hear you and really do agree with you, however, most respectfully, I think you're splitting hairs on this one.
Let's just hope for the best and hope this documentary actually helps the steel guitar community move forward.
On the web site you posted is a "contact us" page.
I suggest you contact the filmmakers and inform them of their error.
As they seem to be scholarly gentlemen, from Princeton NJ no less, and the doc does not seem to be finished, I'll betcha they would want to "get it right".
Cheers Steel Pal!
Bud
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John Macy
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Posted 9 Dec 2016 10:12 am
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Maybe you should wait and see the final version of this. My friend Marty Muse has been working on this for several years, and not only is he a fine player, but very knowledgeable about what he is doing. This has been a labor of love for him, and with all the people that have been involved and interviews, I suspect he is even more knowledgeable now. Keep up the good work, Marty!!
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basilh
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Posted 10 Dec 2016 5:59 am
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Knowledgeable, you are joking, this mistake is so basic a beginner would be unlikely to make it !
The Guitar Bud Isaacs is pictured with initially is a Gibson Multiharp and NOT a Bigsby, and that's whilst the soundtrack commentary is talking about a Bigsby ?..The guitar he's pictured with later is a Fender 800..
http://www.steelguitarmovie.com/home
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Jim Cohen
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basilh
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Posted 10 Dec 2016 6:59 am
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Jim, I've already explained my stance; is this retort YOUR "Sour Grapes" in reciprocation for my "An overused cliché," comment or just intransigence on your part !
I wish to protect the history of our instrument, and stop the "Folk Process" from promulgating falsehoods. (somewhat like your "Sour Grapes" comment. completely out of line and incorrect. |
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Jim Cohen
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basilh
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Posted 10 Dec 2016 8:17 am
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Mr. Cohen, can't understand your confrontational attitude, you USED to be a friend. As for my recurrent whine out European players not being included, B.J.Cole is the only non USA player on that list, and as knowledgeable as BJ is he is not fully representative of the total scene outside the USA.
You seem to think that you own the right to contradict indisputable statements, well contradict that one then..
It's obvious that your impartiality has a hidden agenda, and it's just as obvious that my responding to your attempted "Put Downs" is also pointless, I think I'll just file it away with the other players that also feel threatened by ability and knowledge that's not of USA origin.
One further point, I DID contact those concerned early on in the process and was dismissed unceremoniously even though I offered to act as historical liaison advisor for anything they were not sure of. GRATIS and without seeking credit. Obviously you are in touch with those concerned judging by your partisan stance, ask them to show you the e-mail from me ! Or better still get them to post it on the forum.
I'm obviously of no historical significance, not known by the producers and have nothing interesting to say..
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| people we have selected to do interviews with had to meet certain criteria such as availability, historical significance, travel budget, my knowledge of them, my knowledge of their having something interesting to say. |
Irrespective of your stance regarding me, I'll take this opportunity to wish you and yours a Happy Christmas and a productive and prosperous "New Year" from all at this humble household.
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Jim Cohen
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Posted 10 Dec 2016 8:24 am
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I don't dispute that BJ is the only non-US player in the trailer. Who knows who the final film will include?
I have no hidden agenda at all; I am merely defending a devoted filmmaker's unfinished project from premature criticism. As it turns out, we now learn that this criticism comes from someone who feels spurned by that filmmaker and is now making his grievance public. So the motive is becoming clearer. Readers can judge for themselves.
All of this aside, I reciprocate your good wishes for the coming holiday and a very happy new year to you and yours, Basil.
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John Macy
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Posted 10 Dec 2016 2:06 pm
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Wow...keep up the good work, Marty...
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basilh
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Posted 10 Dec 2016 5:09 pm
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It seems there's a complete lack of comprehension of the facts as outlined, is there no truth in words anymore. God help us and the history of the instrument if this attitude prevails.
I just wonder what the general reaction would be if the facts regarding Buddy and Jimmy's ABC - BCA pedal story had been reported incorrectly.
Well the Bud Isaacs guitars would seem to be more pivotal surely ?
And who are they talking about here ? "As soon as Joseph Kekeku etc"
KEKEKU ? Really ! must be a distant relative of Joseph Kekuku Apuakehau
Maybe a good read of "The Evolution of the Pedal Steel Guitar" by Carl Dixon would be in order for Messrs. Marty Muse, Jeff Himpele and whomsoever else is involved in this 'project'
I feel sure that Professors Amy K Stillman, Anthony Lis, and John Troutman, all eminent musicologists in this field would have something to say about the glaring inaccuracies in the web page and preview video. |
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John Macy
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Posted 10 Dec 2016 5:46 pm
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I just showed the clip to my athlete son, who knows I play but isn't all that interested in music and technical stuff, and asked him "who was the first to use a pedal steel on a mainstream recording, what was his name, what kind of guitar did he play and what was the song?" He replied "Bus (sic) Issacs, "Slowly", a Bigsby guitar... Webb Pierce"... "Which guitar was the Bigsby?" "The second one..." (the one that is not mentioned above that's in the clip...
Keep up the good work, Marty, even a baseball player figured it out...
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basilh
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Posted 10 Dec 2016 6:08 pm
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John, my point exactly, NEITHER of the guitars pictured are Bigsbys. Whist Herb Steiner is talking about the Bigsby the picture shown as he says "Bigsby" is a Gibson Multiharp and then Bud Isaacs is show talking seated at a ZB, then Bud Isaacs is shown on Television with a Fender 800.
Who edited that section ? pretty lax.. |
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John Macy
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Posted 10 Dec 2016 6:31 pm
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I know way better than to get into forum discussions like this, but, the needle drops on the 78 of Slowly, then cuts to a picture of a Bigsby, even my non steel playing son walked away knowing he played a Bigsby on the record, so I guess I don't see the problem...
And once again, keep up the good work, Marty... 
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Jim Cohen
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basilh
From:
United Kingdom
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Posted 10 Dec 2016 6:51 pm
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| I wouldn't presume to be able to do it, but as is said, I don't have to be able to play violin to appreciate a good player, and a bad one sticks out a mile even to the uninitiated. Or at least most of them ! |
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Jim Cohen
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basilh
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United Kingdom
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Posted 10 Dec 2016 7:16 pm
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Furthermore Jim, my wife and I have DILIGENTLY been publishing a quarterly magazine for the past 15 years that's directly concerned with Hawaiianna and Hawaiian Steel guitar, and would NEVER make errors such as the ones I've pointed out; And our contributors include world renowned ethno-musicologists and also International record collection and cataloguing specialists.
I feature playing an instrumental on a weekly Television show on SKY television broadcast to all of Europe, and am "Devils Advocate" on the interviews: Having produced or played on almost all of the Guest's records. I have the "Skinny" on them and lots of tid-bits. The current series will bring it to 24 one hour shows THIS year. The Sound editing of these shows is also my Domain and my expertise in all aspects of Television and Video production is accepted by those in the industry here.
So keep tilting at windmills Jim, it matter not to I..
I have absolutely no intention to make such a film, but if I did I would certainly get funding from the "Arts Council" and many other sources just based upon my reputation.
Nontheless I would not attempt to undertake such a venture without a knowledgeable team and worldwide related content. This "Proposed" DOCUMENTARY is far far to limited in its coverage, its "Old Boy's Club" ethos is patently clear, and the subject matter not projected in a evenly balanced and chronological way. |
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Jim Cohen
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John Macy
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Posted 10 Dec 2016 7:31 pm
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Yep, exit stage left...and keep up the good work, Marty...
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