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Lonnie Portwood


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Post Posted 8 Jan 2015 8:06 pm     Reply with quote

I've owned since 1978. Caiola's were made from 1963 to 70. The earlier ones were based on the Gibson 330 body (full hollow).In 65 or 66 they were re-styled, with no F-holes and complete new electronics. This is a Kalamazoo built gtr (Gibson bought Epi in 1957. Has been My go-to guitar and was used recently on our new CD (Open Range). This has Epi's famous
slim line neck, and plays like a dream. Frets, were recently professionaly recrowned/polished/dressed. This guitar represents the best of american craftsmanship, and durability. Played thru my Sho-bud "Christmas tree", with a D-130 JBL, You can almost hear bells ringing and Angels singing! Pictures tell the rest. $3900 plus shipping. I would prefer not to ship, but if interested, we can discuss. Thanks for Looking Lonnie


















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Lonnie Portwood


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Post Posted 8 Jan 2015 8:14 pm     Reply with quote

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Lonnie Portwood


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Post Posted 17 Jan 2015 5:26 pm     Reply with quote

I went to a Vintage guitar show today and got a lesson on the current market conditions re guitars. I saw a 65 ES 335 sell for $10,000 and compared to my Caiola was not even in the same league. Prices ranged from $700 to over $37,000 I just don't get it! There seems no rhyme or reason behind whats happening to this market. I've been playing for 58 years, and I think I have a pretty good understanding about the quality and value of an instrument. Oh well! One has to do, what one has to do.!!!!
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Jerry Hayes


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Post Posted 18 Jan 2015 5:37 am     Reply with quote

Lonnie, do you still have the original pickups for the guitar? Also, what's the small white knob with the black dot on it and the extra knob on the upper bout, it it a master volume control?....JH in Va.
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chris ivey


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Post Posted 18 Jan 2015 10:42 am     Reply with quote

beautiful guitar. i love that era of epiphones.
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Lonnie Portwood


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Post Posted 18 Jan 2015 12:59 pm     Reply with quote

Jerry, I don't have the originals. It had Hofner's on it when I got it, and I put the Seymour Duncans (alnico) on it. I love these P/U's. I can only imagine that it originally came with mini-Humbuckers or P-90's, which were used during that era. The "pin" down by the Bigsby is where the "vari-a-tone" switch was. These were a rotary switch with pre-set tones. The luthier I bought it from had tried to rework it beause the original had gone bad, but it sounded like crap. so we took it off and plugged it. I never did like those switches, and Gibson did'nt continue those. The upper switch is a master vol.

Chris, I agree Epiphones from that era are just as good as it gets! Thanks guys for looking. Lonnie
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Allen Arndt


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Post Posted 19 Jan 2015 8:50 am     Reply with quote

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Lonnie Portwood


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Jacksonville, fl. USA
Post Posted 19 Jan 2015 10:08 am     Reply with quote

Allen, read the history in my post. Epi made these starting in 63 and did'nt start the others w/o F-holes til 65. Also look closely at the orig card from factory listing the gtr as "Caiola Custom Spec" with bigsby, etc. There are a few like mine out there, but very few! Thanks for looking. Lonnie
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chris ivey


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Post Posted 20 Jan 2015 10:52 am     Reply with quote

yeah allen, that was an irresponsible post. you should have read the whole thread before saying that.
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Lonnie Portwood


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Jacksonville, fl. USA
Post Posted 20 Jan 2015 12:16 pm     Reply with quote

Another note, I have three LP Stereo albums of Al Caiola and His band that will go with this guitar. One of my albums has Caiola playing one of the later models named for Him, and the other guitarist playing a double cut-a-way Gibson( Not a 335). Caiola has quite a history in the music business, played themes to many Movies, Magnificent Seven, Bonanza, etc. Check Him out on you-tube. One has Him playing a Gretsch. Can you tell I love guitars and history? Lonnie
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Cartwright Thompson


Post Posted 20 Jan 2015 12:35 pm     Reply with quote

What is the scale length?
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Allen Arndt


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Allen Arndt


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Lonnie Portwood


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Jacksonville, fl. USA
Post Posted 20 Jan 2015 5:09 pm     Reply with quote

Thanks, Allen for the info. The models mentioned on the sites you referenced were not made until 65/66. The models like mine (what few were made) were started in 63 and I can only assume were special order only, until Epiphone came out with specific models. There is very little definitive info out there about the 63/64 years. According to my serial no. this one is a "64". That, coupled with the factory card info, leads me to believe this is one of the early ones. Nothing here to get twisted up over. There are some things we'll never know, but ain't it fun chasing the "fox". Lonnie
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Geoff Cline


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Post Posted 21 Jan 2015 12:44 pm     Reply with quote

Scale length is the key. The Caiolas were all 25.5" ...longer than the usual Gibson/Epiphone scale of 24.75.

AND Lonnie is right...it is a great vintage Epiphone with higher end appointments. It's a great players guitar and one you don't see everyday. Made to be played.
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Lonnie Portwood


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Post Posted 2 Feb 2015 8:59 pm     Reply with quote

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John Kally


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Arizona, USA
Post Posted 5 Feb 2015 8:35 pm     64 Caiola Custom Reply with quote

Hi Lonnie,
I keep looking at that guitar, and some of the comments since you posted, sure is interesting. If those notes on the hang tag were from the factory or when it was ordered, lots of things make sense that would otherwise be "red flags". For one, the extra $60 for inlays would explain the fancier headstock which has the same inlays as the Sheraton (and Howard Roberts, and Emperor), not the stock Caiola. And of course the Sheraton would have had the standard scale neck, but yours is longer so it's not a Sheraton in disguise. Also the different electronics setup, which are similar to a Sheraton except for the Vari-tone, which I can't recall showing up on any stock Epiphones. So I am guessing it was a special order, which is also explained by the "Special" on the hang tag. I've had a bunch of Gibson and Epiphone hang tags and not seen "special" on one before.FWIW, I'm sure it had the mini-humbuckers originally, not P-90s as I've never seen a Varitone with P90s, plus the mounting would have been different. I think this is a real one-of-a-kind, and good luck with your sale.
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Lonnie Portwood


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Jacksonville, fl. USA
Post Posted 6 Feb 2015 7:59 am     Reply with quote

Thanks, John, for your comments. I agree with your assessment, and I believe this indeed was either a special order, or, sort of a prototype til Epiphone could design the later configuration, which came out in "65" ( I think). Eventually, someone will see and buy this unique piece of history. By the way, this is an amazing "player" which I have enjoyed for many years. I'll be 74 this year and its harder for me to reach some chords on this 25 1/2" scale. I've had to switch to 24 1/2". Thanks again. Lonnie
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Lonnie Portwood


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Jacksonville, fl. USA
Post Posted 14 Feb 2015 8:15 am     Reply with quote

Someone out there is looking for something "special" and this is IT! Don't miss this opportunity. LP
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Lonnie Portwood


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Post Posted 4 Mar 2015 5:47 pm     Reply with quote

To the top, one more time!
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Lonnie Portwood


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Post Posted 24 Mar 2015 8:01 pm     Reply with quote

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Lonnie Portwood


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Lonnie Portwood


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Jacksonville, fl. USA
Post Posted 4 May 2015 6:10 pm     Reply with quote

Another nudge up!
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Lonnie Portwood


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Jacksonville, fl. USA
Post Posted 22 Jun 2015 7:56 pm     Reply with quote

Take another look! Lonnie
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Lonnie Portwood


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Jacksonville, fl. USA
Post Posted 25 Jun 2015 6:14 pm     Reply with quote

Here's a picture of Duane Eddy playing this guitar about 1998. We were on our way to St Louis Steel Convention and stopped by Franklin Tn. met Duane and Dallas Fraser, had dinner with them, went back to the hotel and enjoyed Duane's playing for a few minutes. Duane played the most beautiful version of Amazing Grace I've ever heard. It brought tears to my brother's eyes, and to most of us. Thanks for looking. Lonnie

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