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Ian Rae


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Post  Posted 14 Dec 2014 9:55 am    
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I was wondering what make of guitar is being used here (about 1' 30" in).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4oFrXx8ogI

You Tube posts suggest the player is Ralph Mooney. The neck he's playing on has pedals, but how many of the others would have had - surely not all of them?
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Lane Gray


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Post  Posted 14 Dec 2014 10:03 am    
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Sure looks like a Fender to me.
Bigsbys are usually thicker.
And I didn't think Bigsby used the ashtrays.
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John Booth


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Post  Posted 14 Dec 2014 10:19 am    
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Looks like a Fender Quad-8 to me
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Post  Posted 14 Dec 2014 10:28 am    
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It's a Fender Stringmaster, no doubt.

I've heard that Mooney hooked up a gas pedal with coat hangers to pull strings on his Fender. You can see the strings being pulled in the keyhead on this video. If it isn't Moon, it's someone else with a similar idea. Maybe Jimmy Day? The part played is just like the record.
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Rick Barnhart


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Post  Posted 14 Dec 2014 10:45 am    
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Lane Gray wrote:
And I didn't think Bigsby used the ashtrays.




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Alan Brookes


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Post  Posted 14 Dec 2014 10:49 am    
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It's a Fender Stringmaster Quad.
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Dave Beaty


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Post  Posted 14 Dec 2014 11:07 am     Jimmy Day
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Looks like Jimmy Day, his shirt, his ring, playing his quad with pullers on the strings at the tuner of the 3rd neck out.

I have him in old color films playing this guitar.
Jimmy told told me that he was paid $5.00 per episode for each color-filmed episode of these "barn dance" shows.
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chris ivey


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Post  Posted 14 Dec 2014 11:44 am    
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it does sound like jimmy's tone and pitch(!).
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Ian Rae


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Post  Posted 14 Dec 2014 12:49 pm    
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b0b - I thought I saw something catching the light in the keyhead, but I thought it might be just an artifact of the old telerecording - thanks for confirming.
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Daniel McKee

 

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Post  Posted 14 Dec 2014 2:40 pm    
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Isn't there a video somewhere of Ray Price singing Crazy Arms with Jack Evins playing a four neck fender with a pedal on it. Could this possibly be Jack Evins in the video posted. Ill look for the clip I am talking about.
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Daniel McKee

 

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Post  Posted 14 Dec 2014 2:43 pm    
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=duqO3LYzYgY here is the video I was talking about and the pedal appears to be used on the third neck.
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Bill Ford


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Post  Posted 14 Dec 2014 3:41 pm    
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Looks like some of Shot Jackson's pedal "add ons" he did a lot of those in the beginning, one pedal pulling the 2nd, and 3rd.

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Alan Brookes


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Post  Posted 14 Dec 2014 4:56 pm    
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Wasn't Crazy Arms written by Ralph Mooney?
I learnt the song from Jerry Lee Lewis.

From the number of Stringmasters you see today with holes drilled in them there must have been a lot of experimenting in those days with home-made pedals. Fortunately a bit of wood filler and a respray can usually hide the holes completely.

I wonder if anyone has ever taken a Stringmaster and built a complete pedal steel mechanism into it. I would love a pedal steel that sounded like a Stringmaster. Even Fender's own pedal steels don't sound like that.
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Ian Worley


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Post  Posted 14 Dec 2014 8:30 pm    
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It looks like the same guitar in both videos, in the original at ~1:27 you get a glimpse of the front apron and what appears to be Jack Evans' name.

What was the date on that second video Daniel? I was wonderin' about the guy just sitting there in the background behind another steel at about ~1:52. Kinda looks like young Buddy E
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Russ Wever

 

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Post  Posted 14 Dec 2014 10:19 pm    
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I was wonderin' about the guy just sitting there in the background behind another steel at about ~1:52.
Kinda looks like young Buddy E

Yes, that's Buddy Emmons. He was on Little Jimmy Dickens 'The Country Boys' band at the time.
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Jim Palenscar

 

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Oceanside, Calif, USA
Post  Posted 14 Dec 2014 10:47 pm    
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Yes in the 1st segment you can see that the reflection of both string #'s 4 and 5 changes when you hear the pedal movement. Pretty cool!
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Chris Lucker

 

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Los Angeles, California USA
Post  Posted 14 Dec 2014 11:01 pm    
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This is what the pedals looked like. In 1954 when Shot Jackson joined with Don Davis, Hank Garland and Ray Butts to make DALAND pedal steels, he used the same pedals Don Davis used in his dragsters he made in Nashville at the time. Shot used the same pedals in his solo pedal modifications.
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By the way, in 1954 the DALAND had the humbucking Ray Butts that later became the Filtertron -- earlier than the Les Paul. And I thing the DALAND was earlier than the ByrdLand



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David Wright


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Post  Posted 15 Dec 2014 5:12 am    
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Jimmy Day recorded the song with Ray, and it was done on a Wright Custom..

I played a show in Concord, ca may years ago, Jimmy was there and he told me all about it..))))
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John DeBoalt


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Harrisville New York USA
Post  Posted 15 Dec 2014 7:27 am    
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Everything looks the same on both videos. Same fiddlers, same harmony singer ( Van Howard I believe ) , Ray had the outfit on. Same steel, so I would guess the same steel player. John
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Jack Aldrich

 

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Post  Posted 15 Dec 2014 10:25 am    
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Alan Brookes wrote:
Wasn't Crazy Arms written by Ralph Mooney?
I learnt the song from Jerry Lee Lewis.


Indeed, it was written by Mooney. I learned about this from the book "Sing Your Heart Out, Country Boy", which has the story of the writing of many classic country songs.
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Alan Brookes


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Post  Posted 15 Dec 2014 3:04 pm    
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I have the same book. That's probably where I read it.
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Daniel McKee

 

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Post  Posted 15 Dec 2014 4:45 pm    
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I am not sure of the date on the second video.
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Don Euton

 

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Texas, USA
Post  Posted 15 Dec 2014 5:36 pm    
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Sure looks like the arms and hands of a young Jimmy Day. Sounds like him, but Jack could sound like him too. Was Jimmy married at that time?

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Wayne Ledbetter

 

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Arkansas, USA
Post  Posted 15 Dec 2014 5:50 pm     Tuning
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What tunings did they use on those old multi neck guitars?
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Ian Rae


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Post  Posted 16 Dec 2014 1:23 am    
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Good question, Wayne - I wasn't that interested but now I am Smile
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