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Topic: Staggered, LKL's |
Lee Dassow
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Jefferson, Georgia USA
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Posted 10 Nov 2014 12:04 pm |
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Howdy friends, I've kicked around the idea of having six knee's on my extended E9th 12 string BMI. The 6th would be an inside on RKL. I called Don Fritche up, Owner of BMI, and He suggested making it an inside on LKL because of the volume pedal. So I
ordered a whole bunch of parts from Don including
another floor pedal kit for the Franklin changes.
I got it all installed yesterday. For those of you
who are interested my change on the inside LKL is
raising strings 1 and 2 a whole tone and a half tone respectively. On my RKL I raise 1 and 7 a half tone in case your wondering why the 1+2 change is not there. As usual Dons parts fit like a glove. I will try and upload some pictures of it for those of you that are interested in BMI'S. Any other suggestions? Tennessee Lee
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2015 Mullen D-10 Royal Precision 9x8,-1990 BMI S-10 5x5-1972 Silver face Fender pro Reverb amp,-1965 Fender Super Reverb Amp,- 1966 Fender Showman Amp Two 15" JBL speakers,- 2006 65 Fender Twin Reverb reissue Amp,- 1982 Peavey Session 500 amp,-1978 Peavey Session 400,Goodrich Volume Pedals,John Pearse Steel Bars,
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Earnest Bovine
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Los Angeles CA USA
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Posted 10 Nov 2014 12:55 pm
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I don't understand "inside" & "outside".
The critical position is for the lever that is further from the player. The lever should be very close to the edge of the knee, so that you can hit it or miss it with a minimum of butt-wiggling.
In my case I normally hit the LKL lever that is further from me (raising E strings a half step), and once in a while I pull away from the guitar for the other LKL. A lot of guys do it the other way.
On some guitars I'm currently in the process of moving that lever a little further away from me so that I don't have to move back so far away from the guitar to miss it. |
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Lee Dassow
From:
Jefferson, Georgia USA
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Posted 10 Nov 2014 1:50 pm
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This may help. E raises are on the back apron knee lever. Inside knee is the new changes on strings 1 and 2. The distance between the two left knees is 3-3/4 inches T.L.
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2015 Mullen D-10 Royal Precision 9x8,-1990 BMI S-10 5x5-1972 Silver face Fender pro Reverb amp,-1965 Fender Super Reverb Amp,- 1966 Fender Showman Amp Two 15" JBL speakers,- 2006 65 Fender Twin Reverb reissue Amp,- 1982 Peavey Session 500 amp,-1978 Peavey Session 400,Goodrich Volume Pedals,John Pearse Steel Bars,
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Ian Rae
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Redditch, England
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Posted 10 Nov 2014 2:19 pm
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Lee, what's the pedal spacing on that guitar? (if it's no trouble  )
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Lee Dassow
From:
Jefferson, Georgia USA
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Posted 10 Nov 2014 3:15 pm
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IAN; The inside measurement from pedal to pedal is 1-3/4 inches. T.L.
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2015 Mullen D-10 Royal Precision 9x8,-1990 BMI S-10 5x5-1972 Silver face Fender pro Reverb amp,-1965 Fender Super Reverb Amp,- 1966 Fender Showman Amp Two 15" JBL speakers,- 2006 65 Fender Twin Reverb reissue Amp,- 1982 Peavey Session 500 amp,-1978 Peavey Session 400,Goodrich Volume Pedals,John Pearse Steel Bars, |
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Lee Dassow
From:
Jefferson, Georgia USA
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Posted 13 Nov 2014 12:33 pm
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I was wondering If anyone else had any changes
for the inside LKL, other than my present setup. T.L.
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2015 Mullen D-10 Royal Precision 9x8,-1990 BMI S-10 5x5-1972 Silver face Fender pro Reverb amp,-1965 Fender Super Reverb Amp,- 1966 Fender Showman Amp Two 15" JBL speakers,- 2006 65 Fender Twin Reverb reissue Amp,- 1982 Peavey Session 500 amp,-1978 Peavey Session 400,Goodrich Volume Pedals,John Pearse Steel Bars, |
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Ian Rae
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Redditch, England
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Posted 13 Nov 2014 12:57 pm
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Sorry, Lee - I asked the wrong question. What I meant was the pitch, the distance from one pedal rod to the next. Looks like about 2½" but these things interest me.
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Lee Dassow
From:
Jefferson, Georgia USA
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Posted 13 Nov 2014 8:16 pm
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Ian, that's about it 2-1/2. T.L.
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2015 Mullen D-10 Royal Precision 9x8,-1990 BMI S-10 5x5-1972 Silver face Fender pro Reverb amp,-1965 Fender Super Reverb Amp,- 1966 Fender Showman Amp Two 15" JBL speakers,- 2006 65 Fender Twin Reverb reissue Amp,- 1982 Peavey Session 500 amp,-1978 Peavey Session 400,Goodrich Volume Pedals,John Pearse Steel Bars, |
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Bill C. Buntin
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Posted 15 Nov 2014 8:10 pm
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| Inside lkl I use string 4 up a whole tone. It's really just a nudge fwd to get it, the outside lever is already raising 4&8 a 1/2 step. I tried this with a half stop first, and honestly like the half stop better. The inside lkl could certainly be used in many ways. I like having it available |
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Lee Dassow
From:
Jefferson, Georgia USA
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Posted 16 Nov 2014 10:23 am
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Say,that's really neat Bill, I assume you use it with the AandB pedals down. I tried that with those pedals down and raise E on pedal C with my right foot to duplicate what I think your doing. Nice sound. Incidently what make steel guitar do you play.
T.Lee
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Bill C. Buntin
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Posted 21 Nov 2014 7:58 pm
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| Lee I went through a time whenever I thought I had to try (quote the late Don Rich) "ever lick and trick there are..." Which is kind of a mistake for me. So when I was really serious about copying Tom Brumley, I added those staggered knees. I never got comfortable with the inside outside thing on my right knee but I kept that change on the left knee for a long time. It was on Emmons Legrande, and MCI. I got it half stopped on one lever now on lkl. The half stop just raises 4 and 8 to F, then full travel up to F#. This on a EMCI I just got from Steve Takacs. I will eventually put it on its own lever like I used before. And yes with AB down you can get a aug and then a 6th once you pull up a whole tone. |
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Dustin Rigsby
From:
Parts Unknown, Ohio
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Posted 22 Nov 2014 10:52 am
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Why not set up a "Crawford Cluster" ? That would minimize butt wiggling
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Earnest Bovine
From:
Los Angeles CA USA
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Posted 22 Nov 2014 2:19 pm
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| Dustin Rigsby wrote: |
| Why not set up a "Crawford Cluster" ? That would minimize butt wiggling |
Wouldn't that maximize butt wiggling? |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 22 Nov 2014 3:05 pm
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I would think so, Earnest. Although, I have 2 LKL levers, and do very little butt wiggling. 
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Lee Dassow
From:
Jefferson, Georgia USA
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Posted 22 Nov 2014 4:49 pm
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Bill, I had my eye on that EMCI also. Good luck
with it. Oh by the way Bill, is it a triple raise,triple lower instrument. T.L.
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Bill C. Buntin
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Posted 22 Nov 2014 6:22 pm
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Lee it's a very good emci. It needs some tlc and I got it sounding pretty good
I didn't have to change much I did move some stuff around on the c6 and now I'm tweaking on half stops and splits.
Yes it's a triple triple changer.
It has 1st gen geo l pickups. Surprisingly nice. Imagine it had bl705 originally. This one was one of the last Arlington made guitars I believe. It's a keeper |
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 23 Nov 2014 9:50 am
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3 and 6 S-10. LKL2 lowers 6 to F#.
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 23 Nov 2014 10:10 am
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ah..finally. my lkl 2 also lowers g# to f#.
interestingly enough, the crawford cluster still didn't have the 1st and 2nd string raises so popular now. i still haven't bothered with that since there is plenty i still don't know about the older style tuning. |
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Lee Dassow
From:
Jefferson, Georgia USA
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Posted 23 Nov 2014 10:42 am
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Chris if it's not to much trouble, whats your copedent,or is that the only string change on that
LKL? What does RKL do? T.L.
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2015 Mullen D-10 Royal Precision 9x8,-1990 BMI S-10 5x5-1972 Silver face Fender pro Reverb amp,-1965 Fender Super Reverb Amp,- 1966 Fender Showman Amp Two 15" JBL speakers,- 2006 65 Fender Twin Reverb reissue Amp,- 1982 Peavey Session 500 amp,-1978 Peavey Session 400,Goodrich Volume Pedals,John Pearse Steel Bars, |
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John Billings
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Ohio, USA
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Posted 23 Nov 2014 10:45 am
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| It's the only change on mine. |
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Lee Dassow
From:
Jefferson, Georgia USA
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Posted 23 Nov 2014 10:57 am
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Yeah, I figured that John. One thing with this BMI,
Is the LKL has to travel quit a bit to pull F# to G#.
about the limit of its travel. Might be the dynamics of the flat cross bar I guess. What is the make of the steel in the picture John? T.L.
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2015 Mullen D-10 Royal Precision 9x8,-1990 BMI S-10 5x5-1972 Silver face Fender pro Reverb amp,-1965 Fender Super Reverb Amp,- 1966 Fender Showman Amp Two 15" JBL speakers,- 2006 65 Fender Twin Reverb reissue Amp,- 1982 Peavey Session 500 amp,-1978 Peavey Session 400,Goodrich Volume Pedals,John Pearse Steel Bars, |
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John Billings
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Ohio, USA
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Posted 23 Nov 2014 10:59 am
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| 1974 Shobud. Levers by Coop, install by Ricky Davis. The guitar looks brand new. Was an under the bed in the spare room special! |
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 23 Nov 2014 11:18 am
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lee...it's the only change on that lever. i'm a little different from some. my rkl is e's to eb......rkr is e to f# (4th string) and f# to f (7th string) and lkr is e's to f.
day setup without the c pedal. |
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Lee Dassow
From:
Jefferson, Georgia USA
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Posted 23 Nov 2014 12:40 pm
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Thanks John, Beautiful work. Chris, Thanks for the copedent. Have you always had that setup. T.L.
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2015 Mullen D-10 Royal Precision 9x8,-1990 BMI S-10 5x5-1972 Silver face Fender pro Reverb amp,-1965 Fender Super Reverb Amp,- 1966 Fender Showman Amp Two 15" JBL speakers,- 2006 65 Fender Twin Reverb reissue Amp,- 1982 Peavey Session 500 amp,-1978 Peavey Session 400,Goodrich Volume Pedals,John Pearse Steel Bars, |
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chris ivey
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california (deceased)
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Posted 23 Nov 2014 12:54 pm
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yes lee..over 30 yrs. all my steels are set up that way.
i won't sit in on someone else's steel. |
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