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John Billings


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Ohio, USA
Post  Posted 17 Oct 2014 2:29 pm    
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Uni. You'll want the low notes. Whenever I sit behind an S-10, my brains starts screaming. "Where's that low E string? I need it here, and I need it there." Uni.
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Tom Gorr

 

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Three Hills, Alberta
Post  Posted 17 Oct 2014 5:54 pm    
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Low B, low E, low g#...

It's one of those things that if u've never had them, you don't know what you're missing, but when you've had them...you miss them a lot...a lot more than the D string, I would expect.
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Rick Abbott

 

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Indiana, USA
Post  Posted 18 Oct 2014 3:32 am    
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Yeah, my old Sho~Bud D-10 has the E9 neck set up with G# B E as the low three strings. I don't miss the low E as much as the G#. I put the B to D change on the 6th pedal(it only has 6) to be able to grab it with my volume pedal foot. It works, but don't use it too often.
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Steve Lafferty

 

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Wood River, Illinois, USA
Post  Posted 18 Oct 2014 4:37 am    
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So what are the feelings about keyed vs keyless? As a newbie just wondering. Thanks so much for all your great advice.

Steve.
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Lane Gray


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Topeka, KS
Post  Posted 18 Oct 2014 4:53 am    
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Keyless guitars have fewer problems of changes not always returning accurately, and are quicker to change strings. They're more compact and a little lighter.
They only have two downsides: they look funny and, if you're a goofball who wants 9 or 10 pedals, there's not a lot of room for that.
Hell, if you have the bucks, that Excel uni currently for sale looks sweet.
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Jim Horan

 

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California, USA
Post  Posted 18 Oct 2014 2:00 pm     pedal steel
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Here is my 2 cents. I have played steel for about 60 years. I have watched many, many pro steel players. About 90% of them mostly use the A&b pedal and the D knee lever, lowering 4 & 8. Get you a student model, 10 string with 1 knee and you can play most any song you would ever want to play. Jim
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Wayne Ledbetter

 

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Arkansas, USA
Post  Posted 18 Oct 2014 2:20 pm     ?
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Steve are you confused...lol. I am like you about your age and got back into this. I played before but I faded. Now back in it and grinding. Wish you best. It is intriguing.
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John Billings


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Ohio, USA
Post  Posted 18 Oct 2014 2:23 pm    
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Argh! Why am I broke!!!!

http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=273464
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Wayne Ledbetter

 

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Arkansas, USA
Post  Posted 18 Oct 2014 2:31 pm     ?
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John....it that unusual? It has the old style peg head but the Super Pro type undercarriage.
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John Billings


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Ohio, USA
Post  Posted 18 Oct 2014 2:41 pm    
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On the cusp I guess! Really too new for me, but I love it anyway!
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Geoff Noble


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Scotland
Post  Posted 20 Oct 2014 2:00 am    
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Daniel Policarpo wrote:
to make serious inroads that would satisfy the musical standards of somebody who has become proficient at other instruments supported by 35 years of playing, I would say aside from money, you should be prepared to invest 2-3 hours a day, just about everyday, to get to a point in two years of feeling like, "now I don't suck too bad", and be able to play along with some simple chord progressions with decent intonation and actually add to a song. You will know pretty quickly if you are going to get addicted enough to put the effort in.


I would agree with all of that. I started pedal steel at an "advanced" age and was reasonably proficient on other instruments before starting PS.

Initially I found it very frustrating as it's a bit like going back to "Learn to play guitar in 3 weeks - Bert Weedon", you know what you want to do in your head but your fingers and legs have got other ideas Oh Well

I started off on a S10 GFI student which I learned on for a few years then bought a Carter U12, which was the best move I made. I think though if I'd gone straight for the Universal I would have struggled, it was good to learn all the basics on an S10 before going for something more challenging. Even after playing S10 for 3-4 years, it took a good few months to get used to the Universal.

As said so many times, it's all about muscle memory, to get all the limbs to sychronise into something musical takes a lot of practice.

But you know what, it's all worth it when you start to get these tones that you hear others more experienced playing Very Happy
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David Cubbedge


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Toledo,Ohio, USA
Post  Posted 20 Oct 2014 8:06 am    
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My 2 cents...

I started playing on a Fender Stringmaster in 1976, graduated to a Fender 400 a year later and then many years later got an Emmons S10. Last year I bought a 1977 D10 Emmons.

If I could do it over again I would have bought the Emmons new in 1977 and not bothered with the others. Hard to say where my playing would be had I been playing on a real steel guitar for 40 years instead of limping along with sub-standard gear. (Sorry Fender 400 lovers, but it is an ancient design!)

And then there's the Stringmaster. I wish I had taken some lessons from Tommy Morrell! His great collection of CDs is amongst my favorites and he simply was awesome on the straight steel. Many times I have to remind myself that he had no pedals! If I could play like that, I wouldn't need 'em either!
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John Billings


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Ohio, USA
Post  Posted 20 Oct 2014 8:13 am    
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Can you fingerpick already? If so, that gives you a big "leg up" over other beginners.
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Les Cargill

 

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Oklahoma City, Ok, USA
Post  Posted 20 Oct 2014 9:33 am    
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John Billings wrote:
Can you fingerpick already? If so, that gives you a big "leg up" over other beginners.


It may actually not. Barefingered fingerpicking is not the same as using fingerpicks.
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Steven Husting

 

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Germany
Post  Posted 20 Oct 2014 9:44 am    
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Les Cargill wrote:
John Billings wrote:
Can you fingerpick already? If so, that gives you a big "leg up" over other beginners.


It may actually not. Barefingered fingerpicking is not the same as using fingerpicks.

Maybe, maybe not. I'm a beginner, but I've finger picked ragtime and country blues - with fingerpicks - for years. Don't have to get used to the picks ( though I use different sets for steel and for 6 string) and finger independence is already there. There is so much and so varied technique to learn on a steel just to get to the not-so-awful level - at least I do't have to struggle with this. And someday I want to see if Rev Gary Davis translates to the steel.

Steven
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Robert Harper

 

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Alabama, USA
Post  Posted 20 Oct 2014 1:51 pm     Going fron A Guitar to A steel
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I have no first hand experience, but a local steel player, said the problem most people have when they have spent their lives playing guitat or BASS is Patience. They want the entire sermon in ten minutes
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John Billings


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Ohio, USA
Post  Posted 20 Oct 2014 1:56 pm    
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"It may actually not. Barefingered fingerpicking is not the same as using fingerpicks."

Pretty similar imo. A whole lot less than the difference between knowing how to fingerpick, and not knowing how to fingerpick.
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Lane Gray


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Topeka, KS
Post  Posted 20 Oct 2014 3:35 pm    
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By using the stiffer parts of your finger pads (up near the end, where the nail buttresses them) to "grab" the strings, I can get so close to the sound of fingerpicks that other pickers can't tell. But it's no fun.
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Rick Abbott

 

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Indiana, USA
Post  Posted 21 Oct 2014 2:32 pm    
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Look at this, might be what you are looking for...


http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=273554
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