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Topic: Who makes 10 string steels with NO PAD |
Len Amaral
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Rehoboth,MA 02769
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Posted 14 Apr 2014 9:26 am |
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Thinking about a 10 string guitar but am not fond of pads. Who makes a single 10 string with no pad? Been checking various sites but they state SD 10 etc.
Any info is appreciated,
Lenny |
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 14 Apr 2014 9:57 am
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I think most builders will do S-10, but you might have to ask. Since almost all steel makers build to order, I'd ask them.
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Buck Rodgers
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Virginia (Yorktown)
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Posted 14 Apr 2014 10:02 am
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Lenny;
Check out the GFI's. They have several models with / without the pad. I recently bought my very first PSG, a GFI Expo w/o pad, and have been very happy with it.
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Ian Rae
From:
Redditch, England
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Posted 14 Apr 2014 10:04 am
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There's nothing to rest on when you play the back neck, so how did the pad come about? I ask this in the full realisation that it didn't hold Lloyd Green back any.
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 14 Apr 2014 10:11 am
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I'd bet that the pad was to hide where the neck got removed.
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Fred Justice
From:
Mesa, Arizona
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Posted 14 Apr 2014 10:31 am S~10
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Len I can build you the guitar your looking for.
Here's some pictures of our S10~Pro
It comes standard with 3x4, another pedal and vertical lever can be added.
Triple raise, triple lower, split tuning, polished pedals & levers, set of 4 adjustable factory legs.
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Scott Duckworth
From:
Etowah, TN Western Foothills of the Smokies
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Brett Day
From:
Pickens, SC
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Posted 14 Apr 2014 12:40 pm
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| Jackson builds their Blackjack Customs with or without a pad |
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John Palumbo
From:
Lansdale, PA.
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Jim Williams
From:
Meridian, Mississippi, USA - Home of Peavey!
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Posted 14 Apr 2014 1:14 pm
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BMI (Beck) has several including a standard S10, a lightweight flight ready model and a keyless model. All are pro quality guitars.
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Larry Baker
From:
Columbia, Mo. U.S.A.
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Posted 14 Apr 2014 1:52 pm
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Check out the Mullen Discovery. A pro model 10 string on a single neck, no pad. A great guitar, as any Mullen.
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Jim Bob Sedgwick
From:
Clinton, Missouri USA
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Posted 14 Apr 2014 4:35 pm
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| Williams does. Give Bill Rudolph a call, he'll work with you for sure. |
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Donny Hinson
From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 14 Apr 2014 5:18 pm
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| Ian Rae wrote: |
| There's nothing to rest on when you play the back neck, so how did the pad come about? I ask this in the full realisation that it didn't hold Lloyd Green back any. |
I heard a story once that Lloyd had the C6th neck removed and a pad installed on his D10 Sho~Bud, because on 98% of his session work, the producers wanted him to play E9th, and he figured that there wasn't much use in totin' all that extra hardware around when he hardly ever used it.
Maybe he'll chime in here and verify or deny that old "story".  |
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Herb Steiner
From:
Spicewood TX 78669
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Posted 14 Apr 2014 5:51 pm
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Lloyd told me that the strings on C6 frayed the cuffs of the sport coats he usually wore to sessions during that period. Since 99% of the stuff he played required E9 only, he went for the less abrasive and lighter alternative.
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Bobby D. Jones
From:
West Virginia, USA
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Posted 14 Apr 2014 7:36 pm Who makes 10 string steels with NO PAD
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| MSA made an S10 on a 3/4 body with no pad. I put a 1 1/2 inch pad on the one I have. The story I heard Was Loyd Green had Shot Jackson when Sho-Bud was building guitars make him a steel on a D frame with a pad instead of the C6 neck. If I remember right it was on the front of Loyd Green's 33 RPM Album GREENE COUNTRY 1968-70 era. |
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Mark Eaton
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Sonoma County in The Great State Of Northern California
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Posted 14 Apr 2014 9:36 pm
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I had to dig fairly deep into the archives for this one regarding why Lloyd Green had the hardware taken off the back neck of his Sho-Bud and the result was essentially the first SD-10 LDG. It was from an article I copied from The Journal of Country Music which came out about eight years ago. I've used these Lloyd quotes in a few different threads in the past several years.
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... here is the straight scoop on Lloyd and the invention of the LDG and the rear pad, it is from an article from the Journal Of Country Music which came out I believe in early 2006. Singer/songwriter Robbie Fulks wrote the article, and he has had Lloyd play on a number of his recordings. Of course Lloyd played a double neck guitar prior to this, so he was used to the ergonomics already. I located one of my old posts:
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Lloyd Green, in the fine article about him in The Country Music Journal, had this to say about the development of the Sho-Bud LDG, SD10:
'"I played sessions in suits up until the late 60's, and the C6 neck would unravel the sleeves of my coat. Well I went to my book and counted 595 sessions on the E9 neck in the preceding 12 months. In other words, in my last six hundred sessions, I could only account for five on the C6. So in 1973, I went to Sho-Bud and talked to Shot Jackson about the idea of changing my rear neck to a pad." Six pedals and other parts from the little used neck were put in a plastic bag and weighed in at 18 pounds. The resulting design of the LDG model, with its black Naugahyde pad over an absent fretboard, aims to preserve the double-neck's tone benefits, while eliminating entirely its high-tensile coat abraders, or "strings."
Reduced, on the face of it, to half of the musical hardware of most of his peers, Green proceeded to play all shades of country-including western swing (ironically) on his first post neck removal session for Danny Davis-with a single tuning. "Most (swing) players think you're impotent on E9," Green says. "You can play anything you want on E9. The problem lies in avoiding THINKING. You don't have to think as much with more pedals, more necks, more redundancy." He uses pre-pedal era slants to achieve subtle effects at a tight-rope walker risk level most players would just as soon not assume.'
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Dan Beller-McKenna
From:
Durham, New Hampshire, USA
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Posted 15 Apr 2014 2:59 am
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Pete Burak
From:
Portland, OR USA
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Posted 15 Apr 2014 7:23 am
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Hey Len,
When I was at Jim Palanscars Steel Guitar store in Cali in Feb, he had a very compact Excell that would be a good candidate for your Uni project.
You might give him a ring about it.
I am going to be there again in early May.
Pete |
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Alan Brookes
From:
Brummy living in Southern California
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Posted 15 Apr 2014 8:17 am
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| Mark Eaton wrote: |
...regarding why Lloyd Green had the hardware taken off the back neck of his Sho-Bud and the result was essentially the first SD-10 LDG...
..."I played sessions in suits up until the late 60's, and the C6 neck would unravel the sleeves of my coat...." |
I think there must be more in it than just that. Lloyd has always been very logical, and, of course, no-one would ever question his talent. |
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Terry Miller
From:
Hammondsport NY USA
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Posted 15 Apr 2014 9:22 am
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| Call Jeff at ShowPro, I know he can. You won't be sorry. They play and sound great, plus they are great eye candy. |
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Mike Mantey
From:
Eastern Colorado, USA
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Fred Glave
From:
McHenry, Illinois, USA
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Posted 15 Apr 2014 11:04 am
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Is it the pad you don't like or the extra size and weight of the SD body? Some of the guitars that don't have pads are still on an SD body, or a larger body than a simple S10. I like the Encore and Stage One and I also liked my ETS S10. I don't like the pad because it makes my arm sweat.
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Len Amaral
From:
Rehoboth,MA 02769
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Posted 15 Apr 2014 2:06 pm
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| The pad gets in the way and it diminishes my comfort level. I know it sounds like a small issue but a pebble in my show can drive my nuts. If I am going to have this guitar made I want it with everything that will make it comfortable. |
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Dick Hitchcock
From:
Wayne, Nebraska
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Posted 17 Apr 2014 7:40 am
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Len...I have a Justice S10 3/4, and it is a great guitar. I love it. You won't go wrong with Fred's steels...
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Fred Justice
From:
Mesa, Arizona
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Posted 17 Apr 2014 8:55 am
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Thanks Dick. I've been in contact with Mr. Amaral and were working on it.
It would be a S10~Pro like the one at the top of this thread.
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