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Topic: Vertical Lever Recommendations |
Jim Eller
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Posted 2 Apr 2014 10:45 am |
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I have a vertical lever that I need to connect to something. I have one guitar with it lowering the 5th but never use it.
The question is, what are the other alternatives, if any? And, where would I use it?
I use the standard Emmons setup.
Thanks,
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Bob Hickish
From:
Port Ludlow, Washington, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 2 Apr 2014 11:14 am
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Jim
There was a post on this subject some time back and some one mentioned using the V lever in place of the C pedal --- I set it up on my steel and liked it so well , its still there . |
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Ian Rae
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Redditch, England
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Posted 2 Apr 2014 11:51 am
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Yes, have it raise 4 to F#.
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Rich Peterson
From:
Moorhead, MN
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Posted 2 Apr 2014 3:32 pm
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| If you have a "Franklin pedal" lowering strings 5 & 6 a whole tone, seperate one of the changes to the vertical. |
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Jim Eller
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Kodak, TN (Michigan transplant)
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Posted 2 Apr 2014 4:31 pm
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No Franklin pedal.
Can there be a Franklin lever? |
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Tony Dingus
From:
Kingsport, Tennessee, USA
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Posted 2 Apr 2014 6:22 pm
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Yes Jim, Doug Jernigan lowers 5 and 6 with a VKL.
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Clyde Mattocks
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Kinston, North Carolina, USA
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Posted 2 Apr 2014 10:08 pm
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I lower string 9, D to C# and 10, B to A. Gives you a nice low resolve on strings 8, 9 and 10 from seventh to a major.
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Dave Hepworth
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West Yorkshire, UK
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Posted 3 Apr 2014 1:23 am
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Try raising 5th string up 3 semitones up to D.It gives you an open dom.7th to move to a IV chord .It also gives you a sus.4th with pedals AB which is very useful.
Raising 1st string up to Gsharp is good especially if you can raise 2nd string up to E on same lever.
I also raise 7string up to G sharp which is useful and gives a lovely maj.7 with pedals AB in Emmons set up.
Last edited by Dave Hepworth on 6 Apr 2014 7:22 am; edited 2 times in total |
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Robert Jones
From:
Branson, Missouri
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Posted 6 Apr 2014 6:31 am
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My left knee vertical is setup to lower my B's half tone. It can be used in a lot of different ways.
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Dave Grafe
From:
Hudson River Valley NY
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Posted 6 Apr 2014 9:17 am
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| My left knee vertical is setup to lower my B's half tone. It can be used in a lot of different ways. |
I would concur, just because one doesn't know what to do with your lever that lowers strings 6 & 10 from B > Bb does not mean that one would be best served by abandoning it. Better minds than mine are responsible for it becoming a "standard" component of the Emmons copedant variants, and many of us have come to find it invaluable in many ways.
Cranky Dave would strongly suggest you first spend some time learning all the things that you can do with it, then you can make an informed choice in the matter. |
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 6 Apr 2014 1:29 pm
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I agree with Cranky Dave. You say you currently drop the Bs but never use it. If you don't use it, that means you just have never developed a vocabulary using it.
Here's some uses for stuff in major keys:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9aEyTaD3YA
And when you're playing in minor keys:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn1IY1E-uKU
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Jim Eller
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Kodak, TN (Michigan transplant)
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Posted 6 Apr 2014 5:56 pm
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Thanks Lane. That's what I'm looking for. Examples of what to do with whatever is on it.
I'm old. Ya gotta show me. 
The other suggestion may work well too, but....
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Bobby Bowman
From:
Cypress, Texas, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 7 Apr 2014 3:01 am V lever changes?
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I raise strings 1, 2 and 7 a half tone. I just about wear that lever out in several applications.
BB
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Jarek Anderson
From:
Ontario, Canada
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Posted 7 Apr 2014 6:08 am
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Thanks for those Lane... I was contemplating changing my LKV change, but you've given me some context for learning that vocabulary.
And I've been lurking around here for years, and was unaware that you made videos... Subscribed! |
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 9 Apr 2014 1:57 pm
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" lowers strings 6 & 10 from B > Bb does not mean that one would be best served by abandoning it. Better minds than mine are responsible for it becoming a "standard" component of the Emmons copedant variants, and many of us have come to find it invaluable in many ways. "
I wouldn't "B" without it! |
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Ron Pruter
From:
Arizona, USA
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Posted 9 Apr 2014 2:11 pm
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Just to keep from confusing anyone, I'm sure John meant 5 and 10.
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 9 Apr 2014 2:13 pm
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| Yeah, I just copied and pasted the quote without thinking beyond lowering the Bs. |
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Dave Grafe
From:
Hudson River Valley NY
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Posted 10 Apr 2014 12:15 am
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| Yes, I meant strings 5 & 10, durned laptop keyboards... |
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Jason Lynch
From:
Essex, United Kingdom
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Posted 10 Apr 2014 2:54 am
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| Personally, mine used to lower 5 & 10, but I never used it much. I found half pedalling essier! It now lowers 6 a whole tone, which I use loads and rsises 1 and 2. |
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Peter den Hartogh
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Cape Town, South Africa
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Posted 10 Apr 2014 4:57 am
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Lane, thank you so much for the videos. Exactly what we needed!
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 10 Apr 2014 8:00 am
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Thank you, and/or you're welcome.
Don't overlook Greg Cutshaw and his site, which has lots of uses for changes. His stuff has the advantage of having things like forethought and preparation: my videos are stream of consciousness, essentially a monologue with demonstration, he (and Mickey) actually put together lessons.
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 11 Apr 2014 1:10 pm Re: Vertical Lever Recommendations
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| Jim Eller wrote: |
| I have a vertical lever that I need to connect to something. I have one guitar with it lowering the 5th but never use it. |
Learn to use it. With pedals down, it changes your major chord into a minor. It's called the "X" lever.
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F Em Dm C
F# _____________________
D# _____________________
G# __8B___7B___5B___3B__
E __8____7____5____3___
B __8A___7AX__5AX__3A__
G# __8B___7B___5B___3B__
F# _____________________
E __8____7____5____3___
D _____________________
B __8A___7AX__5AX__3A__ |
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Jim Eller
From:
Kodak, TN (Michigan transplant)
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Posted 11 Apr 2014 6:11 pm
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Thanks b0b.
Examples I need. |
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Fred Glave
From:
McHenry, Illinois, USA
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Posted 11 Apr 2014 8:17 pm
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I think lowering the B's a half step is the best use for the verticle X lever in my opinion. My 2nd choice would be to raise strings 1 and 7 a half step. Lowering the B's gets you a lot more. Do you have a lever that lowers G# to F#? There are some nice voicings with those two levers. A + B with drop B's gives you a minor, B + C and lowered B's gives you a diminished. There's a nice climb down that's commonly used and eg; most notably in the song "Georgia on my Mind" (Ray Charles/Willie Nelson) that uses the drop B's with pedals up and down and with A pedal.
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Harvey Lamb
From:
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
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Posted 12 Apr 2014 10:58 am RE: Vertical Lever Change To D from B
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I hope this the right place to ask a question.
I was going through the old Winnie Winston book, and there was a bunch of tuning charts from a lot of the old pros from years past.
My question is the tuning chart of Jimmy Days' tuning at the time for the VL. The normal seems to be lowering the 5 & ten to a Bb from B. He raised his from B to D. Has any one tried this , and if so what can be done with this change. I would try it , but I don't want to start fooling around with the unknown.
Thanks for any comments that may clear this up
Harvey Lamb |
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