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Tommy Boswell
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Virginia, USA
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Posted 21 Aug 2013 5:36 am |
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How often do you E9 players slant the bar (off vertical) to get the right two-note combination?
I know the non-pedal guys twist the bar all the time. Just wondering how often you pedal-pushers do that with the bar? Listening to Paul on Bakersfield I have to wonder if that's how he gets some of those changes.
I'm self-taught and got a long way to go. |
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Tim Konecky
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Lincoln, Nebraska, USA
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Posted 21 Aug 2013 6:04 am
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Paul certainly uses a bar slant on the solo to Together Again.
He even demonstrates it at 10:20 here...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phDJy_IiR1Y
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Jerry Jones
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Tommy Boswell
From:
Virginia, USA
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Posted 21 Aug 2013 7:35 am
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| Tim Konecky wrote: |
| Paul certainly uses a bar slant on the solo to Together Again. |
That's the one I was listening to. WOW, thanks for the link Tim. Now if I could just get my left thumb to work that way, probably not going to happen with my small hands. |
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Jack Aldrich
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Washington, USA
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Posted 21 Aug 2013 8:20 am
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Jeff Newman showed me how to play Tom Brumley's solo on "Together Again" back in 1978. He remarked that Jimmy Day would awe the steel community with his solos that used both pedals and slants. The classic greats of pedal steel: Buddy Emmons, Jimmy Day, Lloyd Green, for example, all started out on non-pedal steel, so they knew all about slanting. - Jack
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 21 Aug 2013 12:21 pm
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I also rarely use the F lever to make either the 7th or diminished chords. A reverse slant with strings 5,6,8 just rings sweeter.
I came from bluegrass Dobro, so I knew slants before I knew pedals.
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Dave Hopping
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Aurora, Colorado
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Posted 21 Aug 2013 7:10 pm
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| I went from six-string to pedal,skipping non-pedal,so I'm a little late to the bar-slant party.Forward slants came fairly easily but reverse slants were pretty elusive until I got a longer 12-string bar.The end of the bar is closer to my left thumb and I don't have to reach so far to move it for a reverse slant. |
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Tommy Boswell
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Virginia, USA
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Posted 22 Aug 2013 4:40 am
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| And thanks for the link to Lloyd's performance too. Don't know if my left thumb will ever be able to do that! |
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Daniel Policarpo
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Posted 22 Aug 2013 6:09 am
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I spent a little time at the lap before between Tele playing and coming to the pedals, but in that period I spent quite a bit of time developing a relatively accurate slant technique. Because of that, I don't feel limited by 3 pedals 4 knees, and probably will continue developing my slants within that basic 3 x 4 setup.
I like how Dennis Crouch looks at the camera guy at the :24 second mark of this amazing Paul Franklin solo. I believe he is using a slant of some sort, but I am not positive. All I know is that whatever he does there splits my brain into separate hemispheres..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QWlETi414Q&list=PLHFxrXlmpTf7hlVgOq6OAXkIbm8Hb4_Yy&index=168 |
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Steve Perry
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Elizabethtown Ky, USA
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Posted 22 Aug 2013 9:35 am
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No biggie.... but that's Andy Reiss shooting the look.  Franklin gives me cold chills every time I hear him! |
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Steve Perry
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Elizabethtown Ky, USA
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Posted 22 Aug 2013 9:37 am
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No biggie.... but that's Andy Reiss shooting the look. Franklin gives me cold chills every time I hear him! |
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Daniel Policarpo
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Posted 22 Aug 2013 6:07 pm
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whoops, thanks Stephen!
Excuse me, Andy. |
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Daniel Policarpo
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Posted 23 Aug 2013 4:06 am
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| Stephen Perry wrote: |
| Franklin gives me cold chills every time I hear him! |
The more I understand how this instrument works, the more evident it becomes how inventive and ingenious Franklin's playing really is. An artist of that caliber and he still sounds hungry and fresh.
Getting back to the OP's query, here is a pretty good view of some Franklin bar slants on Together Again".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C02bCT6telc
Now, if I could only afford one of his Dad's guitars.... |
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Fred Glave
From:
McHenry, Illinois, USA
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Posted 23 Aug 2013 10:06 am
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Is that Vince Gill playing upright bass?
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 23 Aug 2013 10:16 am
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Not Vince on Bass. If you look close, you can see Vince's head above Paul's, to Paul's right. You can also see the head of his guitar (looks to be a Gibson) and his left hand.
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Fred Glave
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McHenry, Illinois, USA
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Posted 23 Aug 2013 10:31 am
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I guess you're right Richard, Vince is behind Andy's hand for most of that shot.
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Quentin Hickey
From:
Nova Scotia, Canada
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Posted 28 Aug 2013 3:15 am
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| If you want to hear bar slants used in a way you have never heard, listen Paul's more recent youtube video's and album apearances like Bakersfield and The Time Jumpers new album. There are some ear twisting slants going on for sure! |
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Quentin Hickey
From:
Nova Scotia, Canada
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Posted 28 Aug 2013 3:26 am
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| By the way I seen Vince and Paul in Halifax last week. I have no words to describe howgood that concert was. I didn't think I was going to be able to go. My sister got me a free ticket up in the skybox way up at the top and even there the mix was perfect and had no problem hearing that sweet Franklin/Lil Walter tone up there. Still can't get over that I seen them. It was like a dream. |
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Jim Pitman
From:
Waterbury Ctr. VT 05677 USA
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Posted 28 Aug 2013 2:14 pm
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I seem to reserve my bar slants for my dobro. My favorite one being a reverse slant across strings 2, 3, and 4, a fret apart, to create an augmented chord very appropriate as a five chord tag. Bluegrass G tuning BTW.
Have you ever noticed Jerry Douglass rarely if ever bar slants. Perhaps someone can correct me on that.
The king of the slant - Jerry Byrd. |
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