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Topic: Dick McIntire |
Les Cook
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Posted 15 Mar 2015 6:52 am |
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Would like to have heard Dick playing a Tricone |
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Roger Fletcher
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Posted 15 Mar 2015 8:59 am
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| There's one alternate rhythm they used I'm curious about ... kind of goes .. one two AND three ... one two AND three. Wonder what they origin of that one could be. It shows up on some Jerry Byrd records too. |
I have seen this pattern referred to as the Tuamotu rhythm after the group of islands in French Polynesia.
As for that thumping 4/4 style of rhythm guitar, the standard work for anyone interested is "Swing and Big Band Guitar" by Charlton Johnson and published by Hal Leonard.
Grateful thanks to all who have posted such priceless material in this thread. |
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Joe Burke
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Posted 23 Jun 2017 12:31 pm
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I've been listening to so much early Hawaiian music that I couldn't help but to revive this post.
Mike Neer posted Forever and Ever a while back. I can't stop listening to it. Here is a link to it that I believe a forum member posted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKQAfNQ79Mc |
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Jack Aldrich
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Posted 23 Jun 2017 1:16 pm
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| I bought all of the Cumquat McIntire releases and fell in love with his playing. |
I own all of the McIntire Cumquats, and I concur with the assessment of how tasteful this guy's playing really was.
Overplaying is the curse of the modern steeler. Guys like McIntire, Benny Rogers, and Billy Hew Len knew just when to hit it and when to walk the hell away for a couple of bars. |
I have been beaten about the ears for stepping on a singer's solo. My knumu mele, Alan Akaka, gave me this mantra - "Play in the pukas". IMHO, that's what sets the good Hawaiian steelers apart from us run of the mill guys.
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Jack Aldrich
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Posted 23 Jun 2017 1:17 pm
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Oh, and to play in the pukas, you have to LISTEN.
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Steve Marinak
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Man O War Cay, Abaco, Bahamas
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Posted 23 Jun 2017 2:24 pm
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OK...What's a Puka?
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Doug Beaumier
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Posted 23 Jun 2017 2:50 pm
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A quick Google search... Puka literally means "hole" in Hawaiian. Puka also refers to certain seashells with little holes in them. So if a player plays in the pukas, I assume that means he plays fills in the spaces between the vocal lines. In other words, don't play on top of the singer. Play in the holes, play around the vocal lines. That's a general rule in most styles of music, and one that I wish more steel players would adhere to. That requires listening and a good sense of where and what to play and when Not to play.
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Bill Creller
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Saginaw, Michigan, USA (deceased)
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Posted 23 Jun 2017 5:20 pm
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Seems like a reserved approach would make the listener look closer for the steel backing, as opposed to it getting in the way of a singer..
Not many steel players these days get to do a half verse in the middle of a song, like the old days. Maybe today's singers have too much of an ego problem ??
Hard to say, but it kinda suggests it.. |
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Doug Beaumier
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Roger Fletcher
From:
United Kingdom
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Posted 24 Jun 2017 1:45 am
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There's one alternate rhythm they used I'm curious about ... kind of goes .. one two AND three ... one two AND three. Wonder what they origin of that one could be. It shows up on some Jerry Byrd records too.
I've heard this referred to as a Tuamotu rhythm after the island group in French Polynesia. Maybe some of our Hawaiian members could also comment on its similarity to some hula rhythms.
BTW, is the steel player in the Lani clip Hal Aloma? |
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Andy Volk
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Boston, MA
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Posted 24 Jun 2017 6:44 am
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The kind of vibrato Dick used is really out of fashion today. It sounds so natural and relaxed that his playing never feels rushed, only musical and expressive yet, on the slow tunes, it does have an old fashioned feel in comparison with players like say, Tom Morrell who used very little vibrato.
To my ears,Dick sounds of his time but it's beautiful to visit his lost world from time to time. He could play ballads beautifully but also swing hard on tunes like this one ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MYjGa6hpuY
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David M Brown
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Posted 24 Jun 2017 12:31 pm
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The kind of vibrato Dick used is really out of fashion today. It sounds so natural and relaxed that his playing never feels rushed, only musical and expressive yet, on the slow tunes, it does have an old fashioned feel in comparison with players like say, Tom Morrell who used very little vibrato.
To my ears,Dick sounds of his time but it's beautiful to visit his lost world from time to time. He could play ballads beautifully but also swing hard on tunes like this one ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MYjGa6hpuY |
You can put me back in that time period any time and I'll be quite content to listen to that "out of fashion" style.
All day long. |
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Andy Volk
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Boston, MA
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Posted 24 Jun 2017 1:12 pm
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Me too, David. Me too. Bruce Clarke spent ridiculous hours on editing each of his McIntire CDs at the waveform level and the sound he achieved really brings the beauty of Dick's sound to the forefront. South of Honolulu is probably my all-time favorite McIntire tune: http://picosong.com/WFia
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Doug Beaumier
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Andy Volk
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Boston, MA
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Posted 24 Jun 2017 6:23 pm
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Yes, F#9th tuning, Doug. Just gorgeous lap steel playing. And then the vocals come in and they're perfect too. Again, we're not hearing a scratchy old 78. We're hearing the music mixed and cleaned up by the late Bruce Clarke based on a lifetime of knowing how this kind of music should sound.
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Einar Baldursson
From:
Stockholm, Sweden
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Posted 25 Jun 2017 12:23 am
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| Thanks for sharing that tune Andy. I hadn't heard it before - sounds amazing. McIntire had such great tone, almost sax-like to my ears. I'm not sure if it's partly because of the tuning used but the pre-C6 players often seem to harmonise melody notes more sparingly using a lot of single notes and octaves. I should probably spend some time with C#minor and F#9 this summer just to get a feel for them. |
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David M Brown
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California, USA
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Posted 25 Jun 2017 4:58 am
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| Thanks for posting the link - as these guys say, great playing! |
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John Limbach
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Billings, Montana, USA
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Posted 25 Jun 2017 5:37 am
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| Andy Volk wrote: |
| Me too, David. Me too. Bruce Clarke spent ridiculous hours on editing each of his McIntire CDs at the waveform level and the sound he achieved really brings the beauty of Dick's sound to the forefront. South of Honolulu is probably my all-time favorite McIntire tune: http://picosong.com/WFia |
Andy:
Did Bruce post any others? Or is his library available by other means? |
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Andy Volk
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Boston, MA
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Andy Volk
From:
Boston, MA
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Posted 25 Jun 2017 9:27 am
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A few years ago, I used the original sheet music and Dick's recording to do this arrangement of South of Honolulu in F#9. The sheet music was weird. It was all notated in a strange bouncy rhythm that's not how Dick played it. Almost immediately, I moved it over to C6th (it's in my C6th Gold book) so never really checked to see if this F#9 arrangement had mistakes. So it likely does but it'll get you in the ballpark. 
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Doug Beaumier
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Northampton, MA
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David M Brown
From:
California, USA
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Posted 25 Jun 2017 8:22 pm
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| THANK YOU! |
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Joe Burke
From:
Toronto, Canada
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Posted 26 Jun 2017 5:03 pm
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I now can't stop listening to South of Honolulu! Love it.
My question is, how did some of you know it's in F#9? That tuning has never been brought up in my circle. Do many others use it?
I've been figuring it out in C6 for fun. I can't get some of it, but not what Dick McIntire gets!
Thanks. |
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Andy Volk
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Boston, MA
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Posted 27 Jun 2017 1:22 am
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In the 20 years or so the forum has existed there have been many knowledgeable people here including folks with extensive knowledge of older players. I first heard of the tuning here and tried it out years ago. There is also an extended version of F#9 in Jerry Byrd's large instruction folio.
Knowing that McIntire used that tuning, it was easy to tune it up on a steel and hear the intervals that match many of his recordings. The more you transcribe and arrange, the easier it gets to quickly find what you're hearing. For me, Freddie Roulette's playing is a big exception. I listen to Freddie play one of his trademark high register runs and I'm hard pressed to say exactly how he made those sounds even though I know how he tunes.
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Mike Neer
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