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CrowBear Schmitt


From:
Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France
Post Posted 19 Aug 2011 12:57 pm     Reply with quote

Maceo !.........................i need some help now

Considering these are either not available or hard to find ; i'm a lookin' for the copedents of the following steelers ?
(these do not figure in b0b's tuning page)
E9 & C6



Danny Sneed
Tommy White
David Easley - Done
Mike Sweeney
Russ Wever
Terry Crisp
Jim Cohen
BJ Cole

Mike Smith - Done
Buck Reid - Done
Randy Beavers - Done
Mike Johnson - Done
JD Maness - Done

i know that's quite a lot, but it's for a good cause & will undoubtedly serve others
i could also ask b0b if he wants to update his tuning page w: them ?

Thanks ! Winking


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Peter den Hartogh


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Cape Town, South Africa
Post Posted 19 Aug 2011 10:57 pm     Reply with quote



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Peter den Hartogh


From:
Cape Town, South Africa
Post Posted 19 Aug 2011 11:21 pm     Reply with quote

10 July 2004
Quote:
From Randy Beavers

My setup is fairly standard with only one exception, in that I lower the 5th string a whole tone by itself. I think several people are doing that also.
Here goes:
Standard Emmons floor pedal setup.

P1: raise 5 and 10 1 tone
P2: raise 3 and 6 1/2 tone
P3: raise 4 and 5 1 tone

LKL toward back: raise 4 and 8 1/2 tone
LKL toward front: lower 5 1 tone
LKV: lower 5 and 10 1/2 tone
LKR: lower 4 and 8 1/2 tone

RKL: lower 6 1 tone
RKR: lower 2 1 tone with 1/2 stop, lower 9 1/2 tone

Pretty much a basic setup. You'll notice I don't raise the 1st or 2nd strings. Several players raise these with the knee lever that lowers the 6th string 1 tone. I like playing a minor chord out of the root position with this lever and the B pedal pushed. When the 1st and 2nd strings are raised you lose the 9th and major 7th tones of that chord, in that position. Many times those are the notes needed for the melody line. I like what can be done raising those strings, but for me I don't want to lose those natural notes.

I play quite a lot off the 9th string both lowered and in its natural tone. I've gone back and forth from my C neck to the E neck trying to learn the same chords as they are on the C neck. Literally doing this one note at a time. The big bass note isn't usually there, but the top three or four notes of the chord are. And those are the notes that give the chord its deffinition. Like the dominate 7th with a flat 9, or sharp 9, flat 5th etc. If you are working with a good bass, and or piano player, they will play those notes your missing anyway. And they will be heard on their insturment better than ours.

I've stumbled onto some positions that were new to me that have caused me to think differently about music in general. For instance I was looking for a 6 chord with a sharp 9th like is played on the C neck with the 8th pedal and using strings 3-5-7-10. What I found was on the E neck the top three notes were on strings 5-6-9, with pedal A pushed. This played a flat 5th down from the 6 position. Or in other words, in the flat 3rd position. Now instead of thinking of a progression of 3-6-2-5-1, I think 3,flat 3, 2, flat2, 1. My son told me this approach is what's called "tri-tones." I never saw it this way on C6th, but I should have.

I personally like the "timbre" of the E9th neck because the smaller and tighter strings have more sustain, and seem to come through better in an overall mix with the band.

Hope this helps and not confuses!
Randy Beavers
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Peter den Hartogh


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Cape Town, South Africa
Post Posted 19 Aug 2011 11:41 pm     Reply with quote

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CrowBear Schmitt


From:
Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France
Post Posted 20 Aug 2011 1:30 am     Reply with quote

Thanx a bunch Peter ! Mr. Green
Mike Johnson's copedent was up here at one time but has been removed since
i should have saved it ( grrrrr)
to give you an idea of what i'm tryin' to gather, here's the link :
http://steelguitarfrance.forumactif.com/t1866-configues-psg-diverses#21712
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Peter den Hartogh


From:
Cape Town, South Africa
Post Posted 20 Aug 2011 1:51 am     Reply with quote

You mean this post?
http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=205574&sid=3875c817c8a189dfc735bef7f8ba1d6a

Nice collection on your site!
Great stuff.
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CrowBear Schmitt


From:
Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France
Post Posted 20 Aug 2011 2:09 am     Reply with quote

Yes Peter that was it
Thanx again Winking


Mike Smith

Tab:
E9
-----LKL---LKV---LKR---A---B---C---RKL---RKR
F#----G-----------------------------G#
Eb----C#----------------------------D
G#-------------------------A
E-----------------F-------------F#---------Eb
B-----------Bb---------C#-------C#
G#--------------------------A
F#----G
E-----------------F------------------------Eb
D------------------------------------C#
B-----------Bb----------C#


Tab:
C6
---LKL--LKV---LKR---4---5---6---7---8---9---RKL---RKR
D
E-------------Eb------------F
C--------D----------------------D------------------B
A-------------------B-----------B---Ab-------Bb
G---F-------------------F#
E--------------F------------Eb
C-------------------D--------------------C#
A-----------------------------------Ab-------Bb
F-----------------------F#---------------E
C-----------------------D----------------A
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David Easley


From:
New Orleans, LA, USA
Post Posted 9 Sep 2011 6:42 am     Reply with quote

I tried to type this in and it got scrambled up in the preview so, when I was in St. Louis, David Munson made it into a jpeg for me.

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Peter Freiberger


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California, USA
Post Posted 9 Sep 2011 9:04 am     Reply with quote

Re: JayDee's copedent. That was what was on his MSA Studio Pro, which he no longer has. On his P/P Emmons I believe the C6 copedent is correct, but on E9 there is no "0" pedal and last I saw he wasn't using the LKV. I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think he raises string 2 with RKR on his P/P's either. Like many great players his set up is pretty basic and JayDee's works particularly well on a P/P, with little or no slack on the A and B pedals..
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Jim Hollingsworth


From:
Princeville, Kingdom of Hawaii - USA
Post Posted 9 Sep 2011 9:32 am     RE : JayDee'sa rig Reply with quote

Ask Jim Palenscar ... he works on Jaydes's guitars & knows him very well. If anybody knows about it Jim sure would!

Jim
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Peter Freiberger


From:
California, USA
Post Posted 10 Sep 2011 8:56 am     Reply with quote

Anyone know Maurice Anderson's D10 copedents?
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CrowBear Schmitt


From:
Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France
Post Posted 10 Sep 2011 9:10 am     Reply with quote

Thanx David Mr. Green
keep on comin w: them secret & hip copedents... Winking
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Peter den Hartogh


From:
Cape Town, South Africa
Post Posted 6 Nov 2011 7:36 am     Reply with quote

Tommy White's E9th

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