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Jimmie Martin


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Ohio, USA
Post Posted 7 Sep 2009 4:49 pm     Reply with quote

Could anyone tell me about what year 2049 ser. no. for a Sho-Bud Professional is? Very Happy
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Chris LeDrew


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Canada
Post Posted 7 Sep 2009 5:05 pm     Reply with quote

Jimmie, the meaning and significance of Sho~Bud serial numbers is one of the great mysteries of the steel guitar world. They appear to have no rhyme or reason to them. The guitar's specs will date it more accurately.

If you have a Professional, it was made between 1970-73, after the Crossover and before the Pro II. As with all things Sho~Bud, shave off a few months here and there for timelines. Some of the experts here could probably dial in the exact year from pickup characteristics or other specs, but most Professionals had the same specs throughout the three years of production. I stand corrected on any of the above, but I believe I'm in the ballpark.
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Jimmie Martin


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Post Posted 8 Sep 2009 3:48 am     year Reply with quote

Thanks Chris. I was told that and i still wondered about it. Aren't they supposed to be some of the best sounding Sho-Bud's made?
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Chris LeDrew


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Post Posted 9 Sep 2009 9:05 am     Reply with quote

Yes, Jimmie....they sound like the angels coming down from above. Too bad the screams coming from me when I pull my back lifting it to a gig don't sound as sweet. Laughing
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James Morehead


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Post Posted 9 Sep 2009 12:11 pm     Reply with quote

Oh come on Chris, everybody knows that you can hold a Professional in the case in one hand and a twin in the other--straight out for 10 minutes on a dare for a brewskey. Can't be too much worse than yanking all those salmon out of the river with a flyrod, right-o?? Razz Laughing
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John Billings


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Ohio, USA
Post Posted 9 Sep 2009 12:19 pm     Reply with quote

I'm convinced that the serial numbers were determined by whichever punches were out on the bench that day. The guitar made right after yours coulda been numbered 9402!
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Gene Haugh


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Arkansas, USA
Post Posted 19 Nov 2009 3:37 pm     Sho Bud Serial # Reply with quote

Jimmy. My name is Gene Haugh And I have just joined the Forum. I worked for Gretsch/Sho-Bud From 1966 to 2002.
I took over the Sho-Bud Division in 1980 when it was moved to Conway Arkansas. The serial number on a Sho-Bud steel was in numerical order. It had nothing to do with the model or date. Your Guitar is a Model 6143
It was built 4/11/1972, It was built by L.T. And OK'd by H.J. It was shipped 4/27/1972 to the Fred Gretsch Co. in Elmhurst Ill.
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Joe A. Camacho


Post Posted 19 Nov 2009 4:03 pm     Reply with quote

Gene you're about to get asked a whole mess of questions!!
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Chris LeDrew


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Post Posted 19 Nov 2009 4:23 pm     Re: Sho Bud Serial # Reply with quote

Gene Haugh wrote:
Jimmy. My name is Gene Haugh And I have just joined the Forum. I worked for Gretsch/Sho-Bud From 1966 to 2002.
I took over the Sho-Bud Division in 1980 when it was moved to Conway Arkansas. The serial number on a Sho-Bud steel was in numerical order. It had nothing to do with the model or date. Your Guitar is a Model 6143
It was built 4/11/1972, It was built by L.T. And OK'd by H.J. It was shipped 4/27/1972 to the Fred Gretsch Co. in Elmhurst Ill.


Gene....welcome to the forum! Your ability to decipher Sho~Bud serial numbers is akin to "the world is round" discovery. You are going to be a busy man around here, as Joe has remarked. Smile
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Chris LeDrew


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Post Posted 19 Nov 2009 4:26 pm     Reply with quote

James Morehead wrote:
Oh come on Chris, everybody knows that you can hold a Professional in the case in one hand and a twin in the other--straight out for 10 minutes on a dare for a brewskey. Can't be too much worse than yanking all those salmon out of the river with a flyrod, right-o?? Razz Laughing


Ha! Just saw this, James......my old Professional is heavier than all the salmon I've ever caught collectively! Laughing
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Larry Bressington


Post Posted 19 Nov 2009 8:48 pm     Re: year Reply with quote

Jimmie Martin wrote:
Thanks Chris. I was told that and i still wondered about it. Aren't they supposed to be some of the best sounding Sho-Bud's made?


Oh no, not again! Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
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Bobby Burns


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Tennessee, USA
Post Posted 20 Nov 2009 5:56 am     Reply with quote

Gene, welcome to the forum. Does this imply that there is a list with shipping info and dates for Sho-Buds in the Gretsch period, akin to the ZB info Greg Jones has, or Reece's MSA log book? Would this imply that the serial numbers actually follow a pattern at least back to '66? Maybe even back to the beginning?

We are waiting for more from you, Where have you been all this time?

WOW!!!!!!
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Gene Haugh


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Arkansas, USA
Post Posted 20 Nov 2009 9:50 am     Sho-Bud Serial # Reply with quote

Don't know all there is to know about Sho bud. Like I explaned I took over the operation in Conway Ar. November /16 / 1980 when Baldwin Piano moved it from Nashville. They had bought it sometime before and had started keeping a production record. The earliest I can find any record of is Serial# 1001 3/30/71.
Anything earlier I don't have a way to access.
Will be happy to answer any questions I can but am not guaranteeing the speed in which you can get it. I'm getting old and slowing down.
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Bobby Burns


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Tennessee, USA
Post Posted 20 Nov 2009 11:02 am     Reply with quote

Gene, one thing I have wanted to know, is how many Sho-Buds were made in an average day? Was it more in the Ark. days, or less?
So is it safe to assume that they were numerical after 1001 in 1971. I have had my own theories, but kept them to myself because I did not really know. I did not want anyone trying to date their guitar based on my speculations about the serial number. I had noticed before that a in lot of the old numbers, the first digit seemed to be a good guess at the year (7024 for 1967, 2536 for 1972 for example). Is the first digit #1 because it was 1971, and 001 because it was the first completed after they started keeping this record? or 001 because it is the first completed in 1971? Did the fist digit have anything at all to do with the date? Before this, were they really all just random, or was there supposed to be a method to it that was often ignored?
Sorry for all the questions, I know a lot of us Sho-Bud fans are covering you up with emails. Take your time to answer, and thanks very much for any information that you may have to share with us.
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Steve Waltz


From:
USA
Post Posted 20 Nov 2009 11:47 am     Reply with quote

Gene,

I know you will be overrun with requests but if you have time could you see if you have info on 3632.

Thanks,

Steve
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Gene Haugh


From:
Arkansas, USA
Post Posted 20 Nov 2009 2:59 pm     Sho-Bud serial # Reply with quote

Steve,
The information I can find on #3632 is
Model # 6153, Date built = 7/11/73, Built by PF. = Paul Franklin I think, Date shipped = 7/17/73 to Gretsch in Cinn. Ohio
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Gene Haugh


From:
Arkansas, USA
Post Posted 20 Nov 2009 3:13 pm     Sho-Bud Serial # Reply with quote

Bobby,
While in Conway Ar. My schedule was 1-Supper Pro, 5 - Mavericks, and 4 others, either single necks or double necks. I had one girl who assembled the Supper Pro's, one girl who did the mavericks and two girls who assembled the Pro 1, 2, and 3.
The first number of the serial # had nothing to do with any date or year. Every thing was just in numerical order because the number was the last thing before packing and it was put on the guitar after "JASU" would adjust and tune the guitar.
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Steve Waltz


From:
USA
Post Posted 20 Nov 2009 3:30 pm     Reply with quote

Gene,

Thanks for taking the time to look that up.

Steve
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Ronnie Boettcher


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Brunswick Ohio, USA
Post Posted 20 Nov 2009 5:33 pm     Reply with quote

Gene, I am not a spring chicken either. I bought a new LDG, and I cannot remember when I bought it. I know it came from the Goodman warehouse in Cinci. My serial number is 11639. Could you please help. Thanks, Ronnie
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Gene Haugh


From:
Arkansas, USA
Post Posted 20 Nov 2009 6:56 pm     Sho-Bud Serial # Reply with quote

Ronnie,
Serial #11639 = 6150 Built 2/4/77, Built by P.F. I believe that is Paul Franklin, It was checked by Yasu Kameya. Shipped 2/15/77 to Gretsch inventory. Reshipped 9/30/77 to Master Music Then to you 10/5/77 in Brunswick Ohio.
I think this is correct.
Gene Haugh
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Bent Romnes


From:
London,Ontario, Canada
Post Posted 20 Nov 2009 7:22 pm     Reply with quote

Gene, this is a fascinating read! You are a valuable historian! So sad I never wrote down the serial# on the 6139 that I bought directly from ShoBud in Nashville in early 1972(april I think).I dealt with Duane Marrs throughout the whole transaction and he shipped it to me in Norway via Emery Air Freight.
I still remember the neat stationery that Duane used. He would write me a message on the left side of the paper then I would reply on the right side!
Funny how one can remember all these silly details but I guess it was a pretty important milestone in my life.
I was 24 then...
Can you find anything at all on the basis of this info?

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Michael Strauss


From:
Delray Beach,Florida
Post Posted 20 Nov 2009 7:36 pm     Reply with quote

Hi Gene, welcome to the forum.

Sorry to bother you, but I have an 80's LDG Serial# 16592 I've been wondering about. What was the last year you made LDG's?

Thanks, Michael
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Al Udeen


From:
maple grove mn usa
Post Posted 20 Nov 2009 7:56 pm     Gretsch/Sho-Bud Reply with quote

Hi Gene! Just had to say Hello! Been a long time since Booneville! Al Udeen
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Dennis Wallis


From:
Arkansas
Post Posted 20 Nov 2009 8:21 pm     Reply with quote

Gene , I have a '73 LDG ser #5119 . Can you tell me about it ? I also have a later model but I'll have to get the ser # later . Thanks .

Dennis
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Russ Wever


From:
Kansas City
Post Posted 20 Nov 2009 8:32 pm     Reply with quote

Gene, good to see your name!
I headed up Scottys steelguitar department
in St Louis for years, 'til mid-'90s and we
got LOTS of ShoBuds from ya!
BTW, perhaps you could 'fill in the
blanks' on my Super-Pro, it is #14,400.
Glad to know you're doin' awright,
Russ
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