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Tim Sergent


From:
Hendersonville, TN, USA
Post Posted 24 Oct 2007 10:18 am     Reply with quote

Contrary to popular belief...you can still get Bill Lawrence 705 pickups. I just ordered 3 straight from the Bill Lawrence company. The only difference from what they tell me is they changed the chrome band around it to a black one. I just put one in my Mullen and it sounds great.

Jim Pulsifer is the contact out there at the company and he gave me permission to put his phone number here on the Forum. I'm sure you can also order off the website if you choose.

Jim's phone number is ....(866) 280-1076

Order up! I think you'll love 'em.
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Brint Hannay


From:
Maryland, USA
Post Posted 24 Oct 2007 10:54 am     Reply with quote

I'm not really well-informed about this, but I've gathered here and there that there's some sort of can of worms involving the Bill Lawrence brand name.

There's a notice on Bill Lawrence's website (www.billlawrence.com) that says:
"Disclaimer:
Designer Bill Lawrence
is Not associated with
Jzchak Wajcman dba Bill Lawrence Products"

I've spoken with Becky Lawrence on the phone recently--she is the contact person, when Bill himself doesn't answer the phone--and she stated in response to my inquiry that they don't make the 705 any more.

I suppose none of this necessarily means that the pickups in question aren't good pickups, and I have absolutely no personal knowledge of what the can of worms arises from, but I just thought I'd mention what little I know FWIW.

Here are some links to past threads on this subject:

http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum11/HTML/002517.html

http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum11/HTML/004334.html

The second one includes this link to Bill's account of the can of worms:

http://www.billlawrence.com/Pages/Bill_Lawrence_Documentary.htm
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John Fabian


From:
Mesquite, Texas USA * R.I.P.
Post Posted 24 Oct 2007 11:34 am     Reply with quote

These pickups are a 705-type design made by Jzchak Wajcman dba Bill Lawrence Products.

Bill Lawrence is not affiliated with Jzchak Wajcman
dba Bill Lawrence Products.

These pickups are NOT the same as the original Bill Lawrence 705 series pickups. Our experience with these pickups leads us to believe they are neither as reliable as the original product nor as good sounding. That has been our experience, your experience may vary.


Last edited by John Fabian on 26 Oct 2007 5:13 am; edited 1 time in total
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Jack Stoner


From:
Inverness, Fl
Post Posted 24 Oct 2007 12:15 pm     Reply with quote

I agree with what has been said about the "knock off" 705 pickups, based on what I was told by a Nashville Steel Guitar Manufacturer.
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David Higginbotham


From:
Lake Charles, Louisiana, USA
Post Posted 24 Oct 2007 4:54 pm     Reply with quote

Ditto to what John said! I have personally compared both the original and the copy and there was no challenge. The original 705 won hands down!

I have also used the 605 & 805 for comparison. Again, still not as good as the 705.
Dave
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Jerry Roller


From:
Van Buren, Arkansas USA
Post Posted 24 Oct 2007 5:41 pm     Reply with quote

I recently talked with Becky Lawrence and asked her about the 705. She said they do not presently make a 705 but she also said "you never know what may be coming" which led me to believe they might make some more in the future. I did not choose to start anything about this but since it has been addressed, this is my contribution to the subject.
Jerry
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John Billings


From:
Ohio, USA
Post Posted 25 Oct 2007 7:33 am     Reply with quote

Better check Bobbe's Tips. Just got it a few minutes ago.
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Jerry Roller


From:
Van Buren, Arkansas USA
Post Posted 25 Oct 2007 7:44 am     Reply with quote

Well, Bobbe has cleared it up. Bill and Becky are not making the 705 but another company is. Thanks Bobbe, you have come thru again.
Jerry
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Lee Baucum


From:
McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier
Post Posted 25 Oct 2007 5:30 pm     Reply with quote

So, are the 705's Bobbe is selling the same thing as those that Tim Sergent purchased?
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Dave Mudgett


From:
Central Pennsylvania
Post Posted 25 Oct 2007 5:59 pm     Reply with quote

I just looked at Bobbe's site - the caption says "The folks making this pickup bought the rights to do so from Mr. Bill Lawrence.", and they appear to have the black ring. Unless there's someone else out there doing these, I would have to conclude they are the same.

The L-705 is - to my tastes - probably the best-sounding pickup I've ever heard for pedal steel. I just love them, and just spent more than that for a pair of originals.

I would, of course, love it if Bill would re-create the original so we could buy them from him. But if they don't do that, I may well try a couple of these. I think Tim's a good endorsement, and a bunch of other mighty fine players swear by 705s.
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John Fabian


From:
Mesquite, Texas USA * R.I.P.
Post Posted 26 Oct 2007 5:17 am     Reply with quote

The electrical characteristics of these pickups are not the same.

In the future you will probably have the opportunity to discover that for yourself.
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Webb Kline


From:
Bloomsburg, PA
Post Posted 26 Oct 2007 5:56 am     705's Reply with quote

They've got my vote. Best pups I ever had or heard. I'd buy another pair in a heartbeat if they started making them again.
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Jim Phelps


From:
Mexico City, Mexico
Post Posted 26 Oct 2007 9:05 am     Reply with quote

never mind Smile
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Bob Snelgrove


From:
san jose, ca
Post Posted 26 Oct 2007 8:44 pm     Reply with quote

I love mine on My Franklin.

Mike Johnson has them on his P/P and sounded awesome at the show Smile

bob
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Jamie Lennon


From:
Nashville, TN
Post Posted 27 Oct 2007 6:15 am     Reply with quote

anyone got one for sale, an original though !!!
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Bob Lawrence


From:
Beaver Bank, Nova Scotia, Canada
Post Posted 27 Oct 2007 6:51 am     Reply with quote

After talking to Paul Franklin Jr about different pickup options for the Franklin guitars, I tried an original (that I got from my dad many years ago.) on my Franklin. It sounds real good!
Cool
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Ulf Edlund


From:
Umeň, Sweden
Post Posted 27 Oct 2007 8:38 am     Reply with quote

What's the tonal difference between a 705 and a 710?

Uffe
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Jack Stoner


From:
Inverness, Fl
Post Posted 27 Oct 2007 9:31 am     Reply with quote

The big difference between the original Bill Lawrence 705's that came on my 81 Franklin and the 710's is that there seems to be more "string separation" (Clarity?) with the 710's. There is no difference in the "tone" of my Franklin, it sounds the same with either pickup.
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Ulf Edlund


From:
Umeň, Sweden
Post Posted 28 Oct 2007 3:38 pm     Reply with quote

Thank you Jack.

Uffe
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Francesco Porcu


From:
Italy
Post Posted 30 Aug 2017 9:51 am     Blill Lawrence 705 Cromed Reply with quote

Hi, I read all your comments, I'm looking for a BL705 chrome pick up but for now I'm not here on the forum, reading your various posts I read who likes the 705 chrome and who does not like it, I wrote an email to Bill in person asking To him if he could build me a chrome 705 like those he did in the past years that he had the same characteristics, he gave me his answer in the email he sent me and that's what I paired and got involved here: Bill

I started the Bill Lawrence Guitar Pickup company in 1965

I am the same manufacturer making the chrome and the black housing for the 705

Since 1982 we are making a copper shielding inside the pickup

Before, we used the chrome housing to create the shielding by touching the blades.

It was a poor solution than we improved it.

Whoa! Whoa! Whoa!


In my new WBS CUSTOM steel there is now mounted an E66 GL, it has a good sound but I wanted to try a real 705 chrome that unfortunately I can not find it as it is rare to be found today in 2017, I read in the Lawrence website (if you like The 705 you buy the XR16) you experts you say? Thanks Francesco from Italy Very Happy Very Happy
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Francesco Porcu


From:
Italy
Post Posted 30 Aug 2017 10:22 am     Blill Lawrence 710 Reply with quote

In this video Mike I think I use a 710, I zoomed in and I noticed it has a BL710, a beautiful sound, even though Mike has the touch with his magic hands.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70KyY9GNUPk




Smile Smile
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Bob Snelgrove


From:
san jose, ca
Post Posted 30 Aug 2017 3:39 pm     Re: Blill Lawrence 710 Reply with quote

Francesco Porcu wrote:
In this video Mike I think I use a 710, I zoomed in and I noticed it has a BL710, a beautiful sound, even though Mike has the touch with his magic hands.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70KyY9GNUPk




Smile Smile


Yes. but Mike uses Chrome 705's in his push pull Emmons Smile

bob
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Francesco Porcu


From:
Italy
Post Posted 31 Aug 2017 3:02 am     Re: Blill Lawrence 710 Reply with quote

Bob Snelgrove wrote:
Francesco Porcu wrote:
In this video Mike I think I use a 710, I zoomed in and I noticed it has a BL710, a beautiful sound, even though Mike has the touch with his magic hands.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70KyY9GNUPk




Smile Smile


Yes. but Mike uses Chrome 705's in his push pull Emmons Smile

bob



Hi Bob, I know he's using 705 chrome on his Red Emmons, but what's in the link is a Franklin and the pick up I think is 710 for poles and not blades like 705. Francesco Smile
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Roger Crawford


From:
McDonough, GA USA
Post Posted 31 Aug 2017 5:24 am     Reply with quote

I see two cables coming from the guitar. What's up with that?
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Jonathan Cullifer


From:
Nashville, TN
Post Posted 31 Aug 2017 10:45 am     Reply with quote

Roger Crawford wrote:
I see two cables coming from the guitar. What's up with that?


It's a split output that some Franklin guitars have for running multiple amps and switching outputs from the guitar.
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