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Topic: Where ToPlay Where not to play |
CrowBear Schmitt
From:
Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France
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Posted 4 Feb 2007 1:39 am |
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| if i may suggest Jim some Gros Plan Nantais or Perlé to go w: the Lutefisk |
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Michael Garnett
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Seattle, WA
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Posted 4 Feb 2007 2:40 am
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| And HOLY MACKEREL! If one should play with a diamond ring in the shape of a horseshoe, should one position the horseshoe facing the crowd or oneself? |
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Jim Cohen
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Philadelphia, PA
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Posted 4 Feb 2007 5:06 am
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| What does mackeral have to do with Lutefisk? I don't think it calls for the same wine... |
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Jim Cohen
From:
Philadelphia, PA
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Posted 4 Feb 2007 5:07 am
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| ... I think you need something that goes well with lye... |
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Erv Niehaus
From:
Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 4 Feb 2007 7:17 am
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Jim,
The subject matter has drifted sooooooo far from the original posting that I don't feel bad drifting a little further.
Tell your bride that it was 42 degrees below zero in her old stomping grounds in northern Minnesnowta last night. That used to be my old stomping grounds also. I got stomped on there many times.  (just kidding) 
CrowBear,
Is that anything like lefse? |
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Kenny Burford
From:
Independence, Missouri USA
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Posted 5 Feb 2007 7:04 pm
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As my good friend Dave Owens always tells me, give some one long enough and they will show off the backside of their anatomy, so I am warning SGF readers now I am preparing to expose mine.
In 1977 my wife, two oldest children and I moved to Springfield, Missouri, which I have been informed since is in the Bible belt. One summer evening two Christian ministers, one older and the other closer to my age, came to our home to witness and invite us to attend their Sunday church services. After visiting with us for a brief while one of them asked us if we were Christians, which we affirmed that we were, then they proceeded to tell us in a not so humble manner that their congregation was the largest of its denomination in the community and that they were in the process of building a new $3 million facility out on 65 highway. At that time three million dollars was a staggering amount to spend on a facility and a bit overwhelming for me to imagine. As the conversation proceeded the younger minister asked me what my occupation was, I informed him of my daytime trade and of my part-time weekend trade, which as you can imagine was playing country music in bars for the most part. He immediate responded with a distained glare and said to me, “I would hate to tell my children that I made part of my income working in a tavern.” I was speechless and didn’t have a response, I will admit looking back I guess I should have expected such a response, but stupidity and blunt honesty have always been two of my biggest down falls. Since that time I have had many opportunities to consider his words and weigh them in my mind. I have formulated many rhetorical comebacks since that time that I wish I would have returned in my personal defensive, but the truth is I am still not sure how I should have responded to his comment. The truth is I would rather be able to tell my children that they don’t have to worry about being hungry or not having a home to live in, because the Lord has blessed me with enough income that we can eat 3 nutritious meals a day and live under a dry roof.
I have spent the last twenty-five years working for the Department of Defense and as a result worked to deploy some weapon systems that are capable of annihilating the total population of an enemy nation. If the leaders of this nation elect to use these weapons in a mass attack on another country and as a result innocent individuals are killed will I be accountable to God for committing murder? I honestly don’t know. But I do believe this, God holds me accountable to provide for my family and playing guitar is a craft I have developed that aids in my performance of that duty.
I would pose the following questions to the individual who initiated this subject: Would you sell a guitar to an individual who you knew would be playing it in a bar? And if you would, how you are any different than the individual who plays it in a bar?
I believe this, that every morning a man should pray to God for divine guidance and wait to hear from him and not be concerned with what those around him think. |
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Jim Cohen
From:
Philadelphia, PA
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Posted 5 Feb 2007 7:19 pm
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I fail to see any of your backside exposed here, Kenny. Good post.
p.s. FWIW, I also did not feel that Warren's original post was being judgmental. I thought it was a legitimate question, asked fairly.
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ray qualls
From:
Baxter Springs, Kansas (deceased)
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Posted 5 Feb 2007 7:35 pm
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Very well put Kenny! As I said in my first post, "judge not lest ye be judged yourself". On the final judgement day, it will be the devine creator who will be judging me. Warren, the original poster, was just asking and not judging. Warren is a Christian and a very good person and he is my friend. I'll take a good old country church over a $3 million dollar church any day as its not a money game with a true Christian. If you are a Christian, you are supposed to spread the word and help your neighbor, not to judge them. Well, I guess my neck is in a wringer along with yours! Make room for me! Ray
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Alan Rudd
From:
Ardmore, Oklahoma
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Posted 5 Feb 2007 8:20 pm
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| God bless you all wherever you get the opportunity to play and may it bring Him glory. I know there are a lot of churches in Nashville who accept tithes on some huge royalty checks made from writing secular songs. |
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Jon Jaffe
From:
Austin, Texas
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Posted 5 Feb 2007 8:34 pm
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Well said Kenny!
And Jim, if you boil the Lutefisk with the bones and onions, grind it up, roll in a ball, and chill it you have Gefiltefisk. It goes with sweet wine. |
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Jim Cohen
From:
Philadelphia, PA
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Posted 5 Feb 2007 9:16 pm
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| Lips that touch Lutefisk shall never touch mine. |
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Michael Garnett
From:
Seattle, WA
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Posted 5 Feb 2007 10:14 pm
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| Kenny Burford wrote: |
| ...I will admit looking back I guess I should have expected such a response, but stupidity and blunt honesty have always been two of my biggest down falls. |
I would argue that those are my two best characteristics! One man's trash, eh? |
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Herb Steiner
From:
Spicewood TX 78669
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Posted 6 Feb 2007 8:54 am
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One of the absolute least of my worries is going to eternal damnation solely because a human being tells me so.
I know I'm a sinner. And I know my *humble* informant is one also. Where BOTH of us spend our afterlives is neither his will or mine, but the Lord's.
Listen to the old Cal Smith song "Me and Jesus Got Our Own Thing Going." Good stuff in that one.
As to wine, anything but Concord grape, PLEASE! Mogen David and Manischewitz grace not my family's table ever.
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My rig: Infinity and Telonics.
Son, we live in a world with walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with steel guitars. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinberg? |
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Joey Ace
From:
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 6 Feb 2007 12:19 pm Moved to Steel Players
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| This topic does not fit into the definition of the JOBS section. |
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Stewart Thompson
From:
Puyallup, WA.
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Posted 11 Feb 2007 3:38 pm Re: Moved to Steel Players
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| Joey Ace wrote: |
| This topic does not fit into the definition of the JOBS section. |
AMEN!.....I mean You're right, it doesn't.
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David L. Donald
From:
Koh Samui Island, Thailand
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Posted 11 Feb 2007 5:41 pm Re: Where ToPlay Where not to play
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| As christians where do we draw the line as to where we play and where we dont play . IN OTHER WORDS DO ALL THE PLACES WE PLAY GIVE GLORY AND HONOR TO OUR LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST ?Just a thought . Warren |
Immediately coming to mind are houses of ill repute,
as they were once called. Like the old piano player gig back in the day.
But these gigs rarely exist anymore.
Some bars are certainly not for ANY nice people ; mafiahangouts, drug dens, etc.
The average watering hole in a small town, will have it's
regulars, and a few others coming out on dance night.
Most are not out for a session of falling down drunkeness,
just a good time.
If you are being a good christian I see no problem
'ministering by example' in your average small bar.
If the place is totally calous about how drunk the patrons get,
and encourages the worst in them, MAYBE they need your example more....
Most small clubs are just the place close to home with good music.
It lets people let off a little steam; we do have stress in our lives.
Maybe meet the lady or man of their dreams, they hope.
We can't always expect to meet our mate in the Piggley Wiggley,
nor at church.
And get some exercise dancing.
"Give honor and glory" 24/7 is a tall order.
Can't you do that by your good example in the face of temptation?
Only walking with the saved, doesn't help the fallen.
Only avoiding those less pure in life than yourself,
only keeps your good example to a circle of the same,
'preaching to the choir' as it were.
We went down this same topic with Bob Carllucci a year or so back.
Should he lose a LARGE protion of his income, by not playing clubs,
even when he has a wife and several chiclren to feed and clothe.
My position was; the lord will provide the alternative gig in his own time,
but doesn't mean for him to deprive his family over a crisis of concience.
And who are we as men to assume there isn't a very good reason
we are in one room or another at any given time.
Maybe we are there and ONE person see's us and
their life is changed enough to change others too.
Playing music in a club is not like forcing booze down someone's throut,
or selling them coke, etc.
It is simple providing a short term, legal, and through dancing; healthy,
escape from the average Joe and Jane's daily grind, troubles and worries.
This doesn't seem a bad thing. I would rather see people dancing,
than build up stress and then going postal...
I don't see it as un-christian.
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DLD, Chili farmer. Plus bananas and papaya too.
Real happiness has no strings attached.
But pedal steels have many!
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Sonny Priddy
From:
Elizabethtown, Kentucky, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 11 Feb 2007 5:45 pm t.hall
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| Herb Wasn't That Tom T.? Sonny. |
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Sonny Priddy
From:
Elizabethtown, Kentucky, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 11 Feb 2007 5:49 pm wine
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| Ever Wonder Why Christ Was Called A Winebibber? He Must Have Drank A Lot Of Wine It's In The Bible You Know. SONNY. |
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Paul King
From:
Gainesville, Texas, USA
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Posted 11 Feb 2007 7:52 pm play
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| I am surprised this topic has not been locked up. For years I played in church until the music started getting futher out in left field. I stayed with gospel music for years because of the way I was raised. Playing clubs and being around that atmosphere is just not for me. Now, I play some country music today at nursing homes and reunions or some other gigs. No, playing country music does not lift up Jesus Christ, but I have seen Christian people outside of the church do things that surprised me. I know some people have a problem with me playing country music and feel like it is wrong. They are the same ones who will not take time and go sing to the old folks at a nursing home and are wrapped up in their church life. To me that is a shame not to share with those that are not as fortunate. I figure what you play is just as important as where you play. The same ones that have a problem with me playing country music are the same ones that have Christian friends going to Branson and sitting in the seats and listening to it. To me there is no difference. I do attend church and try to live right but I just do not see some things the way I have before. I just do not feel like playing country music is wrong if played in a good atmosphere. |
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David L. Donald
From:
Koh Samui Island, Thailand
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Posted 12 Feb 2007 6:09 am
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Paul good responce.
As I see it, there are several idea threads running
through most of country music, no matter which era.
Some is negative,
some is positive,
and some is parody or humor. (Roger M. etc)
MUCH of it's origin was like the medieval troubador, Baladeur.
It was telling the stories of the times in a moveable medium.
Sometimes they were hard, and other times were wonderful.
Which songs you pick IS important.
You can use it to console, or make people rowdy.
You can use it to mend a broken heart or commiserate.
Remind of the good times past,
and give hope for good times to come.
You can ALSO use it as a warning of what NOT to do...
You can use it to say you ain't buying someone else's philosophy too.
And you can use it in it's gospel side.
But to just say don't play any of it, it's all bad,
is a narrow and unforgiving view.
If you are doing a good percentage of the positive list above,
for the joy of oldsters, who have little more than mixed memories,
Then this is country music with a great and 'christian purpose'.
Let no one succed in shaming you for this choice. IMHO.
I think this is not locked up because everyone is being nice. 
And it pertains directly to a steeler's decisions on what and where to play.
If it remains so it likely won't be locked.
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DLD, Chili farmer. Plus bananas and papaya too.
Real happiness has no strings attached.
But pedal steels have many! |
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Mike Wheeler
From:
Delaware, Ohio, USA
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Posted 12 Feb 2007 6:51 am
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My viewpoint was summed up very well by Allan Rudd, the third post in this thread. A lot of wisdom lies behind those words for those with ears to hear.
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Mike |
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Erv Niehaus
From:
Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 12 Feb 2007 6:56 am
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David,
I don't mean to get personal, but are you a Christian? Or are you just giving advise to us Christians? There is a big difference. |
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David L. Donald
From:
Koh Samui Island, Thailand
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Posted 12 Feb 2007 7:13 am
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Erv, the answer is yes.
But some may say it is not their sect, so no.
And that my friend is their problem not mine.
You could take it as advice, or food for thought.
Would it be less valid either way?
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DLD, Chili farmer. Plus bananas and papaya too.
Real happiness has no strings attached.
But pedal steels have many! |
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Erv Niehaus
From:
Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 12 Feb 2007 7:21 am
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It doesn't matter much to me as to denomination or "sect" but as Christians, we're supposed to be a "peculiar people" and if a person isn't a Christian oft times it is difficult for them to understand why we feel and do the things we do.
I certainly wouldn't want a non-Christian to be giving me advise as to how I should conduct myself. As Christians we are be "in the world" but "not of the world".
Salvation is by grace but our works should give evidence of this grace. "Faith without works is dead". |
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Herbie Meeks
From:
Arkansas, USA
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Posted 12 Feb 2007 8:01 am
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No,,,Offence to me,,,,and I can not afford resentments
Been treated with kindness, in Church, and Joints
I do try to, Live and Let Live
Herbie |
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