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Dickie Whitley
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Posted 26 May 2006 7:59 am |
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Jon Light
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Saugerties, NY
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Posted 26 May 2006 8:22 am
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Hi. Since I don't know you, your objectives, or your experience it is hard to comment. There's lots there on the E9. One question: are you experienced with half stops? If yes, fine, you know what you are doing. If no, you are using a bunch of them here and the fact is, some people like them and use them, some people aren't fond of them (me). I like a good positive stop. I use my LKV with the B>Bb lower a lot, 90% of the time with the A pedal and, pushing against the pedals, I would find your two-note half-stop a tough one.
But that's me. |
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Bobby Lee
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Cloverdale, California, USA
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Posted 26 May 2006 9:50 am
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Trying to give some builder a heart attack? 
I wouldn't do the half-stops on LKV, or the 10th string lower on RKR. If you're used to them already, ignore me.
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 Bobby Lee (a.k.a. b0b) - email: quasar@b0b.com - gigs - CDs, Open Hearts
Williams D-12 E9, C6add9, Sierra Olympic S-12 (F Diatonic)
Sierra Laptop S-8 (E6add9), Fender Stringmaster D-8 (E13, C6 or A6) My Blog |
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Donny Hinson
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Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 26 May 2006 11:30 am
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That's quite an extravagant setup...I trust you're a very experienced player? 
I think you're going to find that that RKR is mighty stiff with those 5 changes on it! |
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John Poston
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Albuquerque, NM, USA
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Posted 26 May 2006 12:22 pm
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I had a RKR with 3 E9 changes and 1 C6 and even then I thought it was a little stiff. Depending how you like to use 9th string C# you may want to move the 10th string B to A over to LKR-1 from RKR.
My other thought is maybe to lose the B to A on pedal 5 since it's there on LKV and splitting them would open up some possibilities. Might slow things down a bit though.
Then again, just realized that you may not need B to A on RKR at all since it's on LKV anyway.
[This message was edited by John Poston on 26 May 2006 at 01:27 PM.] |
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Ray Minich
From:
Bradford, Pa. Frozen Tundra
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Posted 26 May 2006 4:17 pm
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Where do your knees fit into this thing? Do you have to be installed? With assistance from handlers?
Awesome....[This message was edited by Ray Minich on 26 May 2006 at 05:18 PM.] |
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Dickie Whitley
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Posted 26 May 2006 4:39 pm
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Dan Galysh
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Hendersonville, Tennessee, USA
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Posted 26 May 2006 6:27 pm
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I've got the RKR E9 changes on my guitar. You can get a nice split on string 10 with pedals 2 and 3 down and RKR engaged: a four over five chord. I like to seperate the string five and six whole tone lowers.
Wow, you've just about got it all covered on the E9!
Dan[This message was edited by Dan Galysh on 26 May 2006 at 07:33 PM.] |
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John Bechtel
From:
Nashville, Tennessee, R.I.P.
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Posted 26 May 2006 8:09 pm
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On my RKL I Raise 2-strings and Lower 1 str. on my E9 and also Lower 2-strings on my C-Neck. [That's 5-string~changes] On my RKR I Lower 2-strings on my E9 w/½-stop and also Raise 2-strings on my C-neck. [That equals the pressure of 5-string changes] Both KL's work very easily on my Derby! I think any Vertical KL is best left simple! I have the greatest respect for Lloyd Green's accomplishments. When it comes to a copedent, I know of ‘no one’ who plays so much, with so little! It makes me wonder sometimes, “what the heck am I trying to do?”
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“Big John”
a.k.a. {Keoni Nui}
Current Equipment
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David L. Donald
From:
Koh Samui Island, Thailand
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Posted 27 May 2006 4:21 am
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I like sevral things here,
Certainly you have two VERY different ways
to do minor chords.
Raise to, or lower from.
The one thing to change for me is
Switch the C6 Ab and Bb levers.
I use the Bb all the time, and the Ab much less,
and found it a definite "nut cracker"...
{Buddy must have his levers farther left than me...}
But I found it much more comfortable w/
Bb LKL.
I also had added G# to G on a LKV,
but was killing myself using it too much.
Sure there is the 3 frets up minor,
but this gives a very different
passing chord usage.
That was my original changes from Big E's set up you have above.
Since then I put A to Bb on RKR,
and G# to G on LKL,
I use them together ALL the time.
And put C to C# on LKV.
I am pretty darned happy like this.
[This message was edited by David L. Donald on 27 May 2006 at 05:25 AM.] |
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Bobby Lee
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Cloverdale, California, USA
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Posted 27 May 2006 7:51 am
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Since the C to C# is conceptually similar to the E9th E to F, I tried it on LKL instead of on the right knee. This works very well for me but if you're already used to it on RKR you shouldn't change it.
Another thought about that: I tune the C# note flat of center (on LKL) and the Bb sharp of center (on LKR). You're using Buddy's knee lever arrangement, which is designed for equal tempered (straight up) tuning. I can't play those two levers together and it wouldn't sound right if I could, but Buddy can and I'm sure it sounds fine when he's playing. I don't know how much he uses that combination.
I used to tune to ET and I had the C# on RKR like you. I used RKR+LKR to get a diminished chord or a 7b9 chord. I've lost that position by moving the C# to LKL, but I don't miss it at all.
As David Donald pointed out, LKR is a real nut cracker on the C6th. I don't know how any male can hit that inner LKR and RKL at the same time on a standard D-10. It's one of the reasons I went to a crossover guitar.
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Bobby Lee (a.k.a. b0b) - email: quasar@b0b.com - gigs - CDs, Open Hearts
Williams D-12 E9, C6add9, Sierra Olympic S-12 (F Diatonic)
Sierra Laptop S-8 (E6add9), Fender Stringmaster D-8 (E13, C6 or A6) My Blog |
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Dickie Whitley
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Posted 28 May 2006 3:40 pm
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John Bechtel
From:
Nashville, Tennessee, R.I.P.
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Posted 4 Jun 2006 9:52 pm
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As b0b is well aware, I'm using his C-Diatonic + Pedal Tuning on my inside~neck and in the 3-b's mode I need to use the RKL & LKR in addition to the 5th-pedal on my guitar. This is rather uncomfortable and I find myself opting for the 3-#'s mode of LKL & RKR, along with the 4th-pedal; whenever possible/practical! Regardless of your tuning, on the inside~neck, LKR & RKL is not necessarily a winning combination on a lot of PSG's, especially for oversized (fat) guys like me! [Just thought I should clearify what I meant by ‘oversized’!]
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“Big John”
a.k.a. {Keoni Nui}
Current Equipment
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Dickie Whitley
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Posted 7 Jun 2006 4:45 pm
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David L. Donald
From:
Koh Samui Island, Thailand
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Posted 7 Jun 2006 10:07 pm
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With the C6 LKL/LKR reversed,
you are gonna be a lot more confortable.
You likely never use that Ab with the C-B
or C#
so you can let RK float over a bit and give so
"breathing room".
I use the Ab with P6, and less frequently for a bV
I would still miss my 3rd lower on C6
spread opposite to my 6 to dom7 lever.
I have my C# raise on LKV,
LKL lowers the 3rd and RKR raises the 6th.
Granted I look at things a bit differently...
But this woiks pretty good, and naturally for "me". |
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