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Topic: Universal Right Knee Question |
John Sluszny
From:
Brussels, Belgium
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Posted 30 May 2006 9:02 am |
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Why do many standard Universal setups (Carter for instance)
have the E->Eb change on RKR and E->F
change on RKL?
I just find it particularly awkward and had it changed on my guitar into:RKR D#->D and
B->D;RKL E->Eb (and Eb->C#) and the E->F change is on the LKL (which I find much more "usual").And the RKL is never in the way when I play the B6th tuning.
Maybe there's a mechanical reason for it?
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Larry Bell
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Englewood, Florida
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Posted 30 May 2006 9:21 am
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No reason other than habit, John (as far as I can tell)
Some were just used to doing it that way -- Jeff Newman being one prominent example. He also played the Day configuration.
For what it's worth, my levers are exactly as you describe and have been for over 30 years -- ever since I started playing U-12.
Some universal players even lower E's on LKR, but I don't advocate that placement myself.
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Pete Burak
From:
Portland, OR USA
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Posted 30 May 2006 9:30 am
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FWIW, The Newman material I have from the 81-82 timeframe has E>F's on LKL and E>Eb's on RKR.
That's how I've always had my axe's setup. |
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Bobby Lee
From:
Cloverdale, California, USA
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Posted 30 May 2006 9:34 am
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Lee Baucum
From:
McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier
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Posted 30 May 2006 9:44 am
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John - That is exactly how I set up my Mullen U-12. It is much more comfortable for me to hold the right knee in the left position when playing the B6 side of the tuning. It is also easier for me to isolate that movement from the up and down movement of the volume pedal. I've always had a problem using the right-knee-right lever without affecting the volume pedal.
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Al Marcus
From:
Cedar Springs,MI USA (deceased)
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Posted 30 May 2006 9:53 am
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Lee- Good point. Another good thing about Eb's on RKL is it is easier mechanically to hold it in and still put your right foot down on the pedals 7 or 8...al 
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John Fabian
From:
Mesquite, Texas USA * R.I.P.
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Posted 30 May 2006 10:30 am
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It requires less physical effort to hold a knee lever moving to the outside of your leg instead of the inside of it.
Try this:
Sit down in any chair.
Now Relax.
Note which way your leg moves.
That's the logic of lowering the E's on the RKR.
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Larry Bell
From:
Englewood, Florida
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Doug Rolfe
From:
Indianapolis, IN
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Posted 30 May 2006 11:42 am
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To each his own. I prefer to have my E raises on LKL and E lowers on LKR as I play the Buddy Emmons A,B,C pedal set up. I do not find that going to the B6 tuning is a problem with this setup. I just simply move my left foot over to pedals 4 thru 7 as I hold the LKR in. It's very natural this way and causes no problems for me.
My B to D raise is on my RKL as I do not use it that much and that allows me to keep my volume pedal foot free to use mostly for volume, HMMMMM.
Since you use the E raises and lowers most, I don't understand why a person would want to have that on the same foot/leg as your volume pedal. That's a lot of action for one limb. |
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Lee Baucum
From:
McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier
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Posted 30 May 2006 11:58 am
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I'm with Larry. Both of my legs move inward. Maybe it's the way my arse is designed.
Doug - With those two levers on different legs, it's much easier to release one lever and actuate the other lever, effectively giving you a whole-tone raise or lower on the E strings.
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John Daugherty
From:
Rolla, Missouri, USA
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Posted 30 May 2006 12:52 pm
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I have always had the same opinion as John Fabian. Jeff Newman did not use a lock for the B6 tuning. He just held the RKR while playing B6.
My leg can hold the lever with less effort by pushing to the right. I guess it's a matter of muscle tone in different individuals.
After I bought Jeffs U12 Marlen, I had a lock lever installed. By using the lever, both feet are available when playing B6, although I rarely use both feet.
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Larry Strawn
From:
Golden Valley, Arizona, R.I.P.
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Posted 30 May 2006 1:04 pm
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I'm new to the U12, and my E lower is on my LKR, but I find this comfortable and natural feeling to me. I can easily hold LKR and reach all 5 of my right side pedals with my left foot.
How ever I'm not going to say that farther down the road, and the deeper I get into this U12 that it won't creat another problem of some kind. Guess I'll wait and see.
Larry
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Gord Cole
From:
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 30 May 2006 1:54 pm
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Set up on my MSA Universal:
Lower on RKL
Raise on LKL
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David Doggett
From:
Bawl'mer, MD (formerly of MS, Nawluns, Gnashville, Knocksville, Lost Angeles, Bahsten. and Philly)
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Posted 30 May 2006 2:04 pm
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I'm with Larry and Lee. I can go between raised and lowered Es smoother when they are on different knees (incidentally, Paul Franklin thinks the same way on D10). I'm not sure how which way your leg flops at rest figures into this. Most muscles that pull in toward the body (contractors) seem stronger than muscles that push away (extensors)(lats vs. deltoids, biceps vs. triceps, etc.), and the same seems to be true of my leg muscles. And simply holding the LKL over for extended use of the B6 mode does not interfere with my volume pedal use as much as constantly going on and off the lever that lowers E to D (replacing C6 pedal 6) every time I want a IV7 chord - that is my most used change in B6 mode, equivalent to the AB pedal change on E9.
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James Quackenbush
From:
Pomona, New York, USA
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Posted 30 May 2006 4:15 pm
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| I like Al's mention of your foot being right there for pedals 7 and 8 when using the RKL for lowering the E's for B6 playing , but after so many years or riding Harley's, my leg has the natural lean toward the outside , so I am more comfortable using a more Newman approach and lowering my E's with my RKR ....I also play Day pedals .....I think it's more a matter of preference than anything else.....Jim |
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John Sluszny
From:
Brussels, Belgium
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Posted 31 May 2006 1:40 pm
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| Thank you all! |
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