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Topic: Raisin the Dickens Chords and subs |
Stefan Robertson
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Posted 21 Nov 2017 4:14 am |
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Hey guys so I'm studying Raisin the Dickens.
And I love Emmons and Jernigans version and notice quite a huge difference in voicing approaches.
What are the basic Chord outlines and how would you approach it?
I have seen DobroJoe's version. Great but I like more full sound.
I also have Jim Lossenberg's tab which is Long to transcribe it into notation as there is no notation provided and I don't play pedal steel so it takes even longer.
But for those that have tackled or played it I am having difficulty deciding on what chords to use as so many different chords sound good but all give different feels.
How would you approach it? Example there is a nice diminished move in there that Jernigan uses from the D6 - Cdim whereas I think Emmons uses a G7 - D6/9
Thoughts?
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Stefan Robertson
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Posted 21 Nov 2017 4:18 am
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I can play either one or I also like the sound of F13 - F7 then an Octave Higher.
Maybe I'll post some videos of the parts I'm stuck on for some ideas.
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Mike Neer
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Posted 21 Nov 2017 4:55 am
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I don't know all the versions you mention, but it is a simple chord progression that is wide open to substitution.
I6 - IV7 - V7 - I6
Bridge:
IV7 - I7 - IV7 - V7 V7dim V7
There are a huge number of substitutions anyone can use here. You begin to hear your own changes after a while, which is the way all the cats do it.
This is my philosophy on steel guitar and jazz:
If you want to learn to play steel guitar, you listen to steel guitar. If you want to learn to play jazz, listen to everything else.
I think it's a really good idea to have a piano around, too.
Have you ever considered enrolling in a music course from an online institution, like Berklee? You would learn a ton and save some time. Of course, there is no substitute for playing with others regularly, like daily.
It has taken me a lof of years to get my jazz stuff to an acceptable/marginal level. It wasn’t always my main focus, but I put a lot of time into learning about it, so I could be a little bit more sophisticated and unpredictable in my choices.
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Stefan Robertson
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Posted 21 Nov 2017 5:11 am
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I get what you are saying Mike.
I realised after listening to Jernigan that there is a connected sound that the steel guitar does so well.
Hence why I mentioned both version which are on YouTube.
I’m trying to figure out the chord voicings they connect underneath the melody note. Seems those two versions do that connection really well. Also Steve palousek.
I stopped listening to non steel playing this month as I was able to get the voicings I wanted but also wanted that connected sound. So I literally spent a week just calculating e9 changes methodically. But now I guess I have to transcribe the Emmons tab to get close to that feel. Wish someone had the notation as well but hey all part of the journey I guess.
Yeah the chord outlines shows the structure so thanks for that I was thinking maybe some insight as how they connect the melody.
Huge thanks for even responding Mike. Love what you do. Would love to have a back and forth one day.
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Mike Neer
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Posted 21 Nov 2017 5:23 am
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You really should consider a pedal steel. I mean, I understand the dedication to non-pedal, but for playing chords and making the kind of moves you’re interested in, in order to do it really well and in tune, pedals are necessary. Remember, it’s got to sound good more than anything. It’s hard enough for the guys with the pedals.
My approach is to subtract and scale back the amount of information that I need to include to sound like I want. Lap steel gives me that opportunity.
I'm sorry for my bluntness and I don't mean to come off like a grouchy uncle. I've put a lot of thought into this over the years and I know many have, too. I went to a pedal steel guitar show last weekend and everyone was playing so good. The pedal steel is a different animal--kind of like a piano, while the lap steel is a miniMoog. 
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Stefan Robertson
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Posted 21 Nov 2017 11:02 am
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Lol. No offense taken Mike.
I can do this on Lap Steel Guitar just will take. a bit longer but I'll get it.
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Stefan Robertson
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Posted 21 Nov 2017 11:08 am
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| Mike Neer wrote: |
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Have you ever considered enrolling in a music course from an online institution, like Berklee? You would learn a ton and save some time. ... |
I was chatting with Nate about that a while ago as I spoke to Jernigan and he said he did one and it really helped.
I'm thinking may be what I need. Dunno yet its more the cost that's prohibitive than anything else right now.
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John Swain
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Posted 21 Nov 2017 2:19 pm
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| Stefan, you mentioned calculating E9 changes. Most all players(especially Emmons and Jernigan) play RtDickens on C6 neck. It uses pedals 5,6+7 and knee lever lowering C to B(for the flat 5 on the bridge) JS |
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Stefan Robertson
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Posted 22 Nov 2017 3:24 am
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| John Swain wrote: |
| Stefan, you mentioned calculating E9 changes. Most all players(especially Emmons and Jernigan) play RtDickens on C6 neck. It uses pedals 5,6+7 and knee lever lowering C to B(for the flat 5 on the bridge) JS |
My apologies John I knew that after seeing Jim Lossenberg's tab.
I meant to say I spent a week calculating E9 changes - separate point
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Doug Beaumier
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Posted 22 Nov 2017 8:18 am
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That chord rundown on the bridge is not difficult to play on C6 pedal steel. I can't imagine trying to duplicate that sound on non-pedal steel. On PSG the chords flow (or connect) smoothly by simply pressing on the pedals, picking a repetitive pattern and moving the bar down the fretboard in whole steps. That's the easiest part of the song to play IMO. On non-pedal you would have to work your @ss off with slants and partial chords, maybe odd string grips to come close to the sound of a pedal steel. At that point it would be easier to just get a pedal steel guitar IMO.
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Stefan Robertson
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Posted 22 Nov 2017 12:32 pm
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LOL. I'm stubborn and don't mind working my ass off.
I have figured out some of the connected lines just wondered for those of you who play it what chords you use.
So after the Single Note Intro Octaves and A Section where the Chords start I have been playing.
So connected movements are: (I also noted using the 5th or root, on top for the first part is common in most of these voicings.)
G7 - Gb - Cm7 - Bm7 - G7
CM7 - BM7 - AM7
G7 - Bm7
D6 - Cdim
Then
Bm7 - G7
CM7 - BM7 - AM7
G7 - A#7 - A7
Then the higher faster C section - Easy just need to practice clean at speed.
Its the move from the 6/9 chords to 13th to Dominant 7ths.
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Stefan Robertson
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Hertfordshire, UK
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Posted 22 Nov 2017 12:34 pm
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| Doug Beaumier wrote: |
| That chord rundown on the bridge is not difficult to play on C6 pedal steel. I can't imagine trying to duplicate that sound on non-pedal steel. On PSG the chords flow (or connect) smoothly by simply pressing on the pedals, picking a repetitive pattern and moving the bar down the fretboard in whole steps. That's the easiest part of the song to play IMO. On non-pedal you would have to work your @ss off with slants and partial chords, maybe odd string grips to come close to the sound of a pedal steel. At that point it would be easier to just get a pedal steel guitar IMO. |
Its the same whole step movements on E13.
But the 6/9 is done first 5 frets lower then all the rest is na repeated pattern. NO SLANTS yippee!!!
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Mick Hearn
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Posted 22 Nov 2017 1:23 pm
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Have a look at Milo plays raisin the dickens on YouTube. Using E9 pedal steel. Blistering.
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Stefan Robertson
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Hertfordshire, UK
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Posted 23 Nov 2017 1:36 am
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| Mick Hearn wrote: |
| Have a look at Milo plays raisin the dickens on YouTube. Using E9 pedal steel. Blistering. |
Yeah. I've seen it. Funny guy as well. Really good. 
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Bill Hatcher custom 12 string Lap Steel Guitar
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Doug Beaumier
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