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Arthritic Thumbs
Splints
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Shots
55%
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Surgery
11%
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Therapy
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Dale Rottacker


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Post Posted 13 Nov 2017 8:13 am     Reply with quote

Over the last several years I’ve been experiencing increasing pain and discomfort in both of my thumbs... lack of strength, easily torqued causing pain, and on my mind way more than I’d like...

So I’m wondering how many of you have the same thing, and what you’ve done; i.e. (Splints, Steroid Shots, Surgery) to remedy... what worked and what didn’t... I’d like them to last another 5 years as I’m not ready to retire, and I want to continue to be able to play my steel.... Hey, I just ordered a New one I’ll be picking up in Dallas in March, so I need to find some solution.... I’ll be visiting my Dr. AGAIN this week, but what do they know? Sad

Thanks for you input.
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Sonny Jenkins


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Post Posted 13 Nov 2017 9:23 am     Reply with quote

Hey Dale,,,I'm going through the same,,except mine is primarily in my index finger, right hand,,,some in the index on left but not as much. First joint (from knuckle) is starting to look bigger and a little "deformed". Can't bend that finger fully,,,luckily I pick mostly with thumb and middle. I think at one time Buddy E had pain at base of thumb and used some sort of ointment that he wasn't sure if it helped or that the problem just corrected itself.

I would certainly like to find some sort of solution,,,all the new meds you see on TV directed at this problem have so many side effects,,,,some even fatal,,,makes one question,,,,THIS is an option???? I don't think so!!
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Barry Blackwood


Post Posted 13 Nov 2017 9:24 am     Reply with quote

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I’ll be visiting my Dr. AGAIN this week, but what do they know?

They know there's much more money to be made treating something than curing it... Shocked
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Dale Rottacker


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Post Posted 13 Nov 2017 1:34 pm     Reply with quote

Sonny Jenkins wrote:
Hey Dale,,,I'm going through the same,,except mine is primarily in my index finger, right hand,,,some in the index on left but not as much. First joint (from knuckle) is starting to look bigger and a little "deformed". Can't bend that finger fully,,,luckily I pick mostly with thumb and middle. I think at one time Buddy E had pain at base of thumb and used some sort of ointment that he wasn't sure if it helped or that the problem just corrected itself.

I would certainly like to find some sort of solution,,,all the new meds you see on TV directed at this problem have so many side effects,,,,some even fatal,,,makes one question,,,,THIS is an option???? I don't think so!!

Thanks Sonny... hope you get relief... I wonder if Buddy was using Capzasin?... they say it deadens the nerves that transmit the pain.

Barry Blackwood wrote:
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I’ll be visiting my Dr. AGAIN this week, but what do they know?

They know there’s much more money to be made treating something than curing it... Shocked

Sadly I’m told there is no cure, only treatment... I’m trying to determine which approach to to take, and thinking it will probably be a shot first... Looking for the best success rate
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Sonny Jenkins


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Post Posted 13 Nov 2017 2:02 pm     Reply with quote

No Dale, I don't think it was capzasin,,,it was some ointment that I had heard of before, when I talked to him he didn't seem thoroughly convince it was the ointment that did it. ( like me, Buddy had a difficult time believing that all these "rub on" products actually penetrate the skin).

I'm to see my VA Dr. Thursday,,,,I'm going to request the steroid injection,,,,I know when I had back problems many years ago they helped.

I don't think modern medicine addresses "cures",,,only treatment,,,,and MORE test (you get to keep your affliction!) No more 14 day supply of 'scrips and you're well,,,,,it's all lifetime drug therapy now,,,(sounds like "legal" drug addition huh???) 3-4 different heart meds, a couple of cholesterol meds, acid reflux med, maybe anxiety med,,,,all lifetime addictions,,,,,,
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Dale Rottacker


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Post Posted 13 Nov 2017 2:12 pm     Reply with quote

Sonny Jenkins wrote:
( like me, Buddy had a difficult time believing that all these "rub on" products actually penetrate the skin).

I'm to see my VA Dr. Thursday,,,,I'm going to request the steroid injection,,,,I know when I had back problems many years ago they helped.

it's all lifetime drug therapy now,,,(sounds like "legal" drug addition huh???)

I don’t have much confidence in lotions either, but everything I’ve read about Capzasin sounds like it does help... but you better wear gloves after applying and then wash off well after, or your gonna sting your eyes when you take your contacts out... Sad

I see my Dr. Thursday too... if you get the shot, let me know how effective it is... I’ve been told about stem cell therapy too, that may have some good results, but kinda speedy... Seem’s like surgery is perhaps the most beneficial, but quite a recovery time.

Already tied of the amount of drugs I’m on now... LOL
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Fred Treece


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California, USA
Post Posted 13 Nov 2017 7:22 pm     Reply with quote

If you are sure the pain is arthritis, then it is probably osteoarthritis and there is only treatment and no cure. If over the counter meds like Tylenol, Motrin, Aleve, etc. don't relieve pain then you could ask your sawbones about prescriptions.

There is a prescrption topical ointment called Voltaren that my wife used for shoulder pain relief. Worked like a charm. Don't know if it's the same crap Buddy used.

Physical therapy / range of motion exercises & yoga.
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Bob Russell


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Post Posted 13 Nov 2017 8:37 pm     Reply with quote

Dale, I have had really good luck using a salve that contains CBD oil. I got a cortisone shot a few years ago; that got me some relief but the pain eventually came back after a year or so.

Using the CBD salve, I get several hours pain-free from one application. And there are no side effects as far as I can tell. I was skeptical, but I can't deny that it's working for me.
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Earnest Bovine


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Post Posted 13 Nov 2017 9:21 pm     Reply with quote

Steel Guitar Forum is always my first stop for medical advice.
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Fred Treece


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Post Posted 13 Nov 2017 11:38 pm     Reply with quote

Earnest Bovine wrote:
Steel Guitar Forum is always my first stop for medical advice.

Laughing
Hey that's pretty funny! But...

Musicians very often get similar ailments from playing their instruments of choice, especially joint and muscle problems from repetitive strain. You could do far worse than here as a first stop for advice.
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Dale Rottacker


From:
Tacoma Washington, USA
Post Posted 14 Nov 2017 3:39 am     Reply with quote

Thanks Gentlemen

Fred, X-rays confirm Arthritis... Never thought I’d get old enough to get it though... I will look at the Voltaren.

Bob, my son has suggested CBD oil as a good choice.

Earnest, ya gotta go to a reliable source... LOL... I have to trust you fellas
Smile Very Happy
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Bob Russell


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Post Posted 14 Nov 2017 6:11 am     Reply with quote

Earnest Bovine wrote:
Steel Guitar Forum is always my first stop for medical advice.


Earnest is dead right; no internet forum should ever be considered a substitute for a doctor's advice. But in Dale's case, he's already seen a doctor who has confirmed that he has arthritis, a condition for which there are few effective "traditional" treatment methods. So it seems reasonable that he would explore other options, especially if he asks his doctor about potential side effects/interactions before he tries any of the methods suggested.
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Tom Campbell


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Houston, Texas, USA
Post Posted 14 Nov 2017 6:57 am     Reply with quote

For Bob Russell

What is the brand name of the salve, CBD oil your using?
Thanks for the info!
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Bob Russell


From:
North Carolina, USA
Post Posted 14 Nov 2017 7:17 am     Reply with quote

Tom Campbell wrote:
For Bob Russell

What is the brand name of the salve, CBD oil your using?
Thanks for the info!


It's made by a company called Blue Ridge Hemp Co., from Asheville, NC. I'll see if I can post a photo of the bottle.

**Obligatory disclaimer: ** I'm not a doctor; I don't even play one on TV. I have no financial interest in this company or its products. I just tried the stuff and it helped me. I hope it helps you too. Always check with your doctor first and see if they're OK with you using this or anything else you might try.



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Barry Blackwood


Post Posted 14 Nov 2017 8:49 am     Reply with quote

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Steel Guitar Forum is always my first stop for medical advice.

In my experience it's as good as any...

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Georg Sørtun


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Mandal, VA, Norway & Weeki Wachee, FL, USA
Post Posted 14 Nov 2017 9:44 am     Reply with quote

Bob Russell wrote:
Always check with your doctor first and see if they're OK with you using this or anything else you might try.
No recommendation, but: I told my doctor to "GTH", threw out all painkillers and other recommended remedies, and started taking serious doses of Turmeric with Black Pepper, and Hemp oil. Two months later the arthritis in my hands - and other painful bodily problems - was all but gone.
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Sonny Jenkins


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New Braunfels, Tx. 78130
Post Posted 14 Nov 2017 10:12 am     Reply with quote

Georg,,,what brands of product did you take????
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Gary Cosden


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Florida, USA
Post Posted 14 Nov 2017 11:11 am     Reply with quote

I've been using Turmeric for some time and CBD oil (from hemp oil) for about 4 months. I can't say my arthritis is close to being gone but it's better. CBD oil is pricey but it works. I use and recommend the "Charlottes Web" brand of CBD oil. I'll go through $35 - $40 worth a month.
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Dale Rottacker


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Post Posted 14 Nov 2017 11:27 am     Reply with quote

Georg Sørtun wrote:
Bob Russell wrote:
Always check with your doctor first and see if they're OK with you using this or anything else you might try.
No recommendation, but: I told my doctor to "GTH", threw out all painkillers and other recommended remedies, and started taking serious doses of Turmeric with Black Pepper, and Hemp oil. Two months later the arthritis in my hands - and other painful bodily problems - was all but gone.

Georg, I’m not taking anything for it, not even aspirin, but I’m curious what the formula/dosage is that your using... I’ve heard about the benefits of Turmeric for other things... I think I might want to try your method.

Gary, I may be going on a shopping date with my Son... Very Happy
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Georg Sørtun


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Post Posted 14 Nov 2017 11:43 am     Reply with quote

Sonny Jenkins wrote:
Georg,,,what brands of product did you take????

Have bought and used these for a few years...
https://www.amazon.com/Starwest-Botanicals-Organic-Turmeric-Curcumin/dp/B019G9P3OI?th=1
https://www.amazon.com/Nutiva-Organic-Hemp-Oil-Ounce/dp/B000GAO91K/ref=sr_1_4_s_it?th=1

Usually put at least a tablespoon of each in my breakfast mix...
http://gunlaug.com/contents/blog/blog-20150801.html#s7
...and add Turmeric to most homemade dinners.
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Dale Rottacker


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Post Posted 14 Nov 2017 11:48 am     Reply with quote

Thanks Georg
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Georg Sørtun


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Post Posted 14 Nov 2017 11:58 am     Reply with quote

Let me add that Turmeric in the large amounts I use - about two tablespoons a day, will go straight through the system. So unless one wants to run to the toilet right after every intake, start with small amounts of Turmeric and increase over time. Also, add a quarter/half teaspoon of Black Pepper to the mix to increase uptake of the Turmeric (up to 2000%). I usually buy organic Black Pepper locally.
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Dale Rottacker


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Post Posted 14 Nov 2017 12:00 pm     Reply with quote

Georg Sørtun wrote:
Let me add that Turmeric in the large amounts I use - about two tablespoons a day, will go straight through the system. So unless one wants to run to the toilet right after every intake, start with small amounts of Turmeric and increase over time. Also, add a quarter/half teaspoon of Black Pepper to the mix to increase uptake of the Turmeric (up to 2000%). I usually buy organic Black Pepper locally.


Great information... Thanks
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Charlie Hansen


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Halifax, NS Canada and Zephyrhills,FL
Post Posted 14 Nov 2017 4:38 pm     Reply with quote

I occasionally have some pain here and there and the doctor prescribed declofinac compound. You apply it where the pain is and it works very well.
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Jim Fogarty


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Phila, Pa, USA
Post Posted 14 Nov 2017 7:07 pm     Reply with quote

Dale,

Go to a Rheumatologist and get a good, accurate diagnosis. I had a sudden onset of SERIOUS joint issues a couple years back, and thought my playing days were over (I'm a fulltime pro guitarist, too!) It took about a year, but I eventually found out what I had was Psoriatic Arthritis, which is an auto-immune condition, like Rheumatoid. Anyway, after trying a few things, I went on Humira, and it was like a miracle. Within a month, I was pain-free mostly.......and soon back to normal.

Don't mess around. With some of these conditions, the longer they go untreated, the more permanent damage can be done.

Good luck!
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