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Tim Kowalski


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Post Posted 26 Oct 2017 8:25 am     Reply with quote

Reaper is a full featured DAW with an excellent manual (pdf with hyper-links to simplify finding the topic you need). There are sample files on line to be used with walk through tutorials included in the manual. Also you will find many YouTube tutorials for total newbies to advanced users. It is far more affordable than most others and offers great support.
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Michael McGee


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Post Posted 26 Oct 2017 4:52 pm     Re: I suggest REAPER Reply with quote

Tim Kowalski wrote:
Reaper is a full featured DAW with an excellent manual (pdf with hyper-links to simplify finding the topic you need). There are sample files on line to be used with walk through tutorials included in the manual. Also you will find many YouTube tutorials for total newbies to advanced users. It is far more affordable than most others and offers great support.
60 day free trial
Purchase price 60.00 Personal - 225.00 Commercial
It is the cat's meow!


+1 for Reaper.

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Tony Prior


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Post Posted 1 Nov 2017 2:20 am     Reply with quote

The question is, which is the easiest to use, not which is cheaper, which is near impossible to answer.

If we want to compare Websites ,Forums, Facebook Pages,YouTube video's and Tutorials , we will find that ALL major DAW's have these available. There are probably more Pro Tools "learning" methods available than any other.

Some folks will say, and have, that a program such as Pro Tools is too complicated and filled with stuff people don't need. Filled with Bells and Whistles.

HOGWASH.

Turn off the stuff you don't want to use. You can run a program like Pro Tools with 1 track , 1 input and 1 effect should you desire. Use one of the session templates , they range from really simple to more complex, based on the session requirements.

Bells and Whistles = Tools. You may never use 50% of them, but, when you need one, well...at this point they are no longer Bells and Whistles, they are Life Savers, also called Production Tools.

How many tools does a Carpenter bring to a job site when building a home ? Right, all he can. He may very well use a Skill Saw 90% of the time, but it's that other 10% that gets the job completed where the Skill Saw is the wrong tool.

My Steel guitar has 10 strings, 3 pedals and 5 knee levers, I mostly play with 2 pedals , maybe 8 strings and 2 levers, I guess I should just remove those other extra add-ons , evidently they are Bells and Whistles !

IF someone was close by, I could teach them to be in "session" with Pro Tools or Sonar in 30 minutes. Simple session of course. After system setup as well.

Whichever DAW we end up with, they ALL need a front end setup education. There is no such thing as a DAW where we buy it, load and and start recording right away.

The main learning issues with DAWS is not the DAW itself, but rather how our PC ( or MAC) is setup, how the interface is set up , how our signals get INTO the DAW, how our return audio signals are sent back to a listening device, phones or monitors. I haven't even touched on Preamps yet. We have to tell every DAW where the signals come from and what to do with them.

IF we visit the forums, we will learn that most users with issues, ANY DAW, did not read something about what they are doing or forgot something really simple.

One of my favorites is, "My Pro Tools 12 is full of bugs, it won't load" . Of course everyone on the planet has the exact same Pro Tools 12 ,they didn't make a new version for one person. Then someone points them in the right direction and you never hear back from them again.

Each DAW Co. has a set of instructions which must be followed for proper setup and operation. We can either follow the instructions or go on some forum and complain.

By the way, Reaper is indeed a nice program, it's not any simpler to use than any other, but it is nice. It can do the job nicely. But you still gotta learn how to use it.

Define simple ! Very Happy
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Henry Matthews


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Post Posted 1 Nov 2017 7:43 am     Reply with quote

Simple to me means that anyone with average intelligence and a basic working knowledge of recording and computers, can take a DAW and record something with out even looking at directions of any kind. I was able to do that with Studio One Pro and access most of the features. I tried Reaper and wasn't able to do that. In fact, I never found the effects on Reaper. Way to many things have to be set right for it to even record and terminology is different so really couldn't figure it out without reading up on it.

I have never tried Pro Tools or any other DAW's. I do use Audacity for recording directly from the internet or a CD or stick drive and find it to be simple to operate. Just select source, set level and hit record button, now that's simple.

If a person Doesn't have basic knowledge of recording and computer, then none are going to be simple. Just my take on the thread.
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Tim Kowalski


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Post Posted 1 Nov 2017 9:52 am     Reply with quote

Good points, Tony. All DAW's do require an understanding of routing and input selection. That can be the most difficult part of the learning curve. I would agree that none are just plain simple.
I don't think that Reaper is necessarily easier to use than others, but there is no investment required to get your feet wet.
It took some serious adjustment to move away from my trusty Fostex HD recorder, but now I could never go back.
As you say, I doubt that I use anywhere close to 50% of the tools after three years of recording.
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Rick Campbell


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Post Posted 1 Nov 2017 11:19 am     Reply with quote

I also found Reaper not user friendly. Presonus Studio One has a free introductory version available for download. You can search youtube and see where a lot of people are explaining their reasons for leaving other DAWS and going to Studio One.

https://shop.presonus.com/products/studio-one-prods/Studio-One-3-Prime

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Tony Prior


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Post Posted 2 Nov 2017 12:32 am     Reply with quote

I have viewed Studio One video's and indeed it looks very good, it uses different terminology than Pro Tools but at the end of the day they are very similar. If the world order came and confiscated my Pro Tools systems I could easily use Studio One ! Very Happy


One of the things I have come to learn over the last year or so in this very competitive DAW war is that Brand A will say that Pro Tools for example, doesn't do FOLDER Merging. While it is true that Pro Tools doesn't do Folder Merging but it's not because it's a missing operation, it's because Pro Tools names them GROUPS ! In many cases it's a war on words rather the actual operation , but if we are not experienced we will think that Brand A does something that Brand B does not do. And that is incorrect and misleading.

Now, it's no secret that I am a Pro Tools user and have been for almost 10 years, but I don't claim it's the best or that everyone should use it, but I will say that if any other DAW brand claims that they are doing something that Pro Tools or any other MAJOR DAW can't do, it's most certainly not true and may be based on a war of words or definitions. Then we read all sorts of stuff by users of Brand X saying it's best over those other expensive brands because it can do X,Y and X which those other brands cannot do. Really ?

Like I said above, Brand A claims Pro Tools can't merge Folders, well of course not, they call Folders "GROUPS" They don't even use the term Folders anywhere. Maybe thats why Pro Tools doesn't merge Folders.


I seriously doubt that any newer era DAW has come up with a new process that has not been used or is NOT being used by every other major DAW. The only thing left is, Brand A is easier than Brand B.

What the DAW company's are trying to improve on is Work Flow, linking all of those production elements into a clear process , which of course, is now based on the users skill set and ability to understand whats in front of them. Some will understand the process right away, some will understand it after a while and some will never understand it.That last group is where the marketing is aimed. Easy to use .

It's kinda like typing on our keyboards. We have all been doing it for years now , participating on forums, emails, messaging etc. Some of us can actually type and some of us will never figure it out ! Funny though, we don't blame the keyboard , we know it's us. In the DAW world , we blame the DAW. ! Laughing
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Dale Rottacker


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Post Posted 2 Nov 2017 5:48 am     Reply with quote

Tony Prior wrote:
I have viewed Studio One video's and indeed it looks very good, it uses different terminology than Pro Tools but at the end of the day they are very similar. If the world order came and confiscated my Pro Tools systems I could easily use Studio One ! Very Happy

What the DAW company's are trying to improve on is Work Flow, linking all of those production elements into a clear process , which of course, is now based on the users skill set and ability to understand whats in front of them. Some will understand the process right away, some will understand it after a while and some will never understand it.That last group is where the marketing is aimed. Easy to use .

It's kinda like typing on our keyboards. We have all been doing it for years now , participating on forums, emails, messaging etc. Some of us can actually type and some of us will never figure it out ! Funny though, we don't blame the keyboard , we know it's us. In the DAW world , we blame the DAW. ! Laughing


Hard to argue with you Tony so I won’t 😜

I moved from GarageBand (Not a heavyweight DAW, but I’ve heard and did my 1st 3+ fairly respectable recordings with it), but ended up with Studio One Artist as it was included with a PreSonus interface I had bought. As soon as I loaded it I immediately liked the look and shortly after upgraded to the Professional version.

I can’t begin to tell you how many video’s I watched trying to educate myself on a process I had little reference point for. But the more I learned the more I liked.

I kept hearing the word “Workflow” on videos from folks that had moved from years of ProTools use to Studio One because of what they felt was IMPROVED Workflow. Again, not trying to argue and have NIX/Nadda/NO experience with ProTools or most of the other DAW’s out there, but after learning my way around Studio One a little, am overall pleased with the Workflow. That said, I don’t record that much, or have that much to mix, and what I do mix isn’t very complicated, so Workflow probably isn’t going to be a very big deal to me.

I think the important thing is this; CAN you make a respectable sounding recording with the DAW you’re using? And from the recordings I’ve heard from Tony and Mark Tulbert, they know their way around ProTools and get great results. My friend David Mitchel, who by the way has been a HUGE help to me, as far as the whole process of recording and getting a good sound from it. Anyhow, David uses a program called Nuendo 2.0. I believe there are now 9 plus versions of Nuendo, but David has never seen the need to spend the money for the upgrades. If any of you have heard some of Davids recordings, you can hear what a MASTER he is at getting a great Radio Ready Mix.

So I guess it’s REALLY about learning and getting comfortable with WHATEVER DAW seems to fit your eye, and perhaps the way you like to do things, as far as Workflow. Should a guy who’s been using ProTools or Studio One or Nuendo for a Bazillion or less Laughing years switch to something else?... Hey if you dissatisfied with it and what you’re getting out of it, by all means. If you are satisfied with what you have and it fits what you do, WHATS the Point.

I’ve watched videos of guys who are well versed in half a dozen different DAW’s. (Do you REALLY want to invest that much time in learning a bunch of DAW’s?) Frankly I don’t spend ENOUGH time trying to get better at steel, so that whatever DAW I choose to use, sounds better than had I done it on cassette Laughing Laughing Laughing
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Tony Prior


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Post Posted 16 Nov 2017 4:29 am     Reply with quote

excellent words Dale !

Workflow equates to ... what is the best way to drive to work in the morning or get to the airport ?

Workflow is the logical path to the end result, this is what all the DAW company's argue, they have the best logical path.

Of course as soon as someone says " This makes no sense to me" , they change brands to another one that claims "easier to use than the one you have ".
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