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Jeff Metz Jr.


From:
York, Pennsylvania, USA
Post Posted 1 Oct 2017 6:11 pm     Reply with quote

I am a mullen player almost exclusively.
I have had push pulls but never an all pull Emmons.
In your opinion, Do the Emmons all pull guitars play as smooth and easily as the other all pulls?
I am thinking about pulling the trigger on a D10 Legrande 111 but I will have to sell another guitar to finance the buy. Emmons owners please chime in. Thanks
Jeff
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Ron Pruter


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Post Posted 1 Oct 2017 7:02 pm     Reply with quote

Jeff, In my opinion, The LG 3's with the counter force, are one of the best. RP
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Bobby Boggs


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Post Posted 1 Oct 2017 7:52 pm     Reply with quote

If you're asking will the pedal action be as soft with the same amount of travel? While a LeGrande II play's fine for most. Me included. A Franklin will play the softest. Followed by a Mullen G2 and a Zum. I'm assuming all brands are properly set up. Also due to the small amount of pressure the counter-force adds to the pedals A LIII will play a tad bit stiffer than a LII.

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Ron Pruter


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Arizona, USA
Post Posted 1 Oct 2017 8:06 pm     Reply with quote

Bobby and Jeff. I have a 80's SKH. Comparing mine to the 3, I honestly felt no additional pressure was needed and zero cabinet drop was Heavenly.RP
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Bobby Boggs


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Post Posted 1 Oct 2017 8:47 pm     Reply with quote

Not surprised. A LeGrande II should play a little softer than a properly adjusted SKH. Again the L-III will pay just a tad bit stiffer than the LII.
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Henry Matthews


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Texarkana, Ark USA
Post Posted 1 Oct 2017 10:03 pm     Reply with quote

The ll's play the easiest I'm my experience if set up correct. Zums also play easy and Mullen almost too easy. Can't even touch pedals with out it moving a string. I still just like the feel of a well setup push pull.
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Bob Hoffnar


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Austin, Tx
Post Posted 2 Oct 2017 4:51 am     Reply with quote

I have been playing a LeGrande lll lately and it is in between a Mullen and PP in terms of pedal stiffness. The counter force does work and is pretty amazing but it also changes the pedal feel in a very subtle way.
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Jack Goodson


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Post Posted 2 Oct 2017 5:53 am     Ll2 Reply with quote

I agree with Henry 100%, that is why I am looking for another pp....thanks jack
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Jeff Metz Jr.


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York, Pennsylvania, USA
Post Posted 2 Oct 2017 8:42 am     Reply with quote

I've never had the opportunity to play a well setup PP. I've owner two but nothing was ever balanced enough where pedals were concerned. Anybody local have one I could test?
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Gary Lee Gimble


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Gaithersburg, Maryland
Post Posted 2 Oct 2017 8:50 am     Reply with quote

Jeff, I have a PP waiting for a test drive, just let me know



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Jim Robbins


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Ontario, Canada
Post Posted 2 Oct 2017 1:16 pm     Reply with quote

I like LIII's. They feel solid, not stiff, to me, and boy do they hold their tuning. The only thing that feels stiff is p4 which has a Franklin change as well as both A's to B's.
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john buffington


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Owasso OK - USA
Post Posted 2 Oct 2017 5:18 pm     Reply with quote

I've got both a LG3 and a p/p. The LG3 is definitely smoother than my p/p, both have been professional set up. The LG3 is a Strayhorn guitar ('nuff said) and the p/p is as smooth as you can ask for. The anti-detuning device is well worth any difference in "feel or play-ability" for me due to the fact: it plays in tune - stays in tune. Just MO. I also have 2 Mullen guitars, ultimately smooth but the Emmons LG3 gets my final vote.
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Jack Goodson


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Post Posted 2 Oct 2017 5:43 pm     Pp? Reply with quote

This guitar plays better than my LL2 by far....thanks jack

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Damir Besic


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Nashville,TN.
Post Posted 2 Oct 2017 6:30 pm     Re: Do Emmons Legrandes play as good as a modern All pull gu Reply with quote

Jeff Metz Jr. wrote:
I Do the Emmons all pull guitars play as smooth and easily as the other all pulls?


yes... great guitars
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Bill L. Wilson


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Oklahoma, USA
Post Posted 2 Oct 2017 7:25 pm     The Emmons. Reply with quote

This is a '95 and I Love it......Been playin' it since '05 and all I do is oil it, change strings, and keep her polished up.
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Jack Hanson


From:
San Luis Valley, USA
Post Posted 3 Oct 2017 4:06 am     Reply with quote

Some of us are old enough to consider the LeGrande the very first "modern all-pull guitar."
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Jack Strayhorn


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Winston-Salem, NC
Post Posted 3 Oct 2017 8:27 am     Reply with quote

The LeGrande may not be as soft as some guitars and it was intentional. Buddy liked a certain level of resistance and Ron Lashley designed it as such.
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Greg Derksen


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Alberta, Canada
Post Posted 3 Oct 2017 9:26 am     Reply with quote

I have a Legrande 111 and a Franklin ,

the Legrande 111 is definitely stiffer but not so much that you can't go from guitar to guitar , its not a big deal at all.

Also with the 14 hole bell crank you can really tweak the pedals really well for travel and resistance, example , my 3rd pedal feels the same on the Emmons guitar as my 1st and 2nd pedal, on my Franklin my 3rd feels stiffer than the other two , but I think I can tweak that,

Greg
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Greg Derksen


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Alberta, Canada
Post Posted 3 Oct 2017 9:38 am     Reply with quote

Interesting note on the counter force on the Learned 111, I prefer it overall, no question. I know it adds a bit of resistance,
But I prefer the slight cabinet drop on a standard guitar for the 7th string when it lowers a few cents with both pedals 1 and 2 down, But with just about every other pedal or Knee combination I really like the counter force, YMMV.

Greg
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