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Jeff Metz Jr.


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York, Pennsylvania, USA
Post  Posted 1 Oct 2017 6:11 pm    
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I am a mullen player almost exclusively.
I have had push pulls but never an all pull Emmons.
In your opinion, Do the Emmons all pull guitars play as smooth and easily as the other all pulls?
I am thinking about pulling the trigger on a D10 Legrande 111 but I will have to sell another guitar to finance the buy. Emmons owners please chime in. Thanks
Jeff
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Ron Pruter

 

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Post  Posted 1 Oct 2017 7:02 pm    
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Jeff, In my opinion, The LG 3's with the counter force, are one of the best. RP
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Bobby Boggs

 

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Post  Posted 1 Oct 2017 7:52 pm    
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If you're asking will the pedal action be as soft with the same amount of travel? While a LeGrande II play's fine for most. Me included. A Franklin will play the softest. Followed by a Mullen G2 and a Zum. I'm assuming all brands are properly set up. Also due to the small amount of pressure the counter-force adds to the pedals A LIII will play a tad bit stiffer than a LII.

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Ron Pruter

 

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Post  Posted 1 Oct 2017 8:06 pm    
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Bobby and Jeff. I have a 80's SKH. Comparing mine to the 3, I honestly felt no additional pressure was needed and zero cabinet drop was Heavenly.RP
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Bobby Boggs

 

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Post  Posted 1 Oct 2017 8:47 pm    
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Not surprised. A LeGrande II should play a little softer than a properly adjusted SKH. Again the L-III will pay just a tad bit stiffer than the LII.
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Henry Matthews


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Texarkana, Ark USA
Post  Posted 1 Oct 2017 10:03 pm    
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The ll's play the easiest I'm my experience if set up correct. Zums also play easy and Mullen almost too easy. Can't even touch pedals with out it moving a string. I still just like the feel of a well setup push pull.
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Bob Hoffnar


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Austin, Tx
Post  Posted 2 Oct 2017 4:51 am    
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I have been playing a LeGrande lll lately and it is in between a Mullen and PP in terms of pedal stiffness. The counter force does work and is pretty amazing but it also changes the pedal feel in a very subtle way.
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Jack Goodson

 

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Post  Posted 2 Oct 2017 5:53 am     Ll2
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I agree with Henry 100%, that is why I am looking for another pp....thanks jack
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Jeff Metz Jr.


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Post  Posted 2 Oct 2017 8:42 am    
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I've never had the opportunity to play a well setup PP. I've owner two but nothing was ever balanced enough where pedals were concerned. Anybody local have one I could test?
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Gary Lee Gimble


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Fredericksburg, VA.
Post  Posted 2 Oct 2017 8:50 am    
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Jeff, I have a PP waiting for a test drive, just let me know



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Jim Robbins

 

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Post  Posted 2 Oct 2017 1:16 pm    
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I like LIII's. They feel solid, not stiff, to me, and boy do they hold their tuning. The only thing that feels stiff is p4 which has a Franklin change as well as both A's to B's.
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john buffington

 

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Owasso OK - USA
Post  Posted 2 Oct 2017 5:18 pm    
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I've got both a LG3 and a p/p. The LG3 is definitely smoother than my p/p, both have been professional set up. The LG3 is a Strayhorn guitar ('nuff said) and the p/p is as smooth as you can ask for. The anti-detuning device is well worth any difference in "feel or play-ability" for me due to the fact: it plays in tune - stays in tune. Just MO. I also have 2 Mullen guitars, ultimately smooth but the Emmons LG3 gets my final vote.
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Jack Goodson

 

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Post  Posted 2 Oct 2017 5:43 pm     Pp?
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This guitar plays better than my LL2 by far....thanks jack

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Damir Besic


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Post  Posted 2 Oct 2017 6:30 pm     Re: Do Emmons Legrandes play as good as a modern All pull gu
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Jeff Metz Jr. wrote:
I Do the Emmons all pull guitars play as smooth and easily as the other all pulls?


yes... great guitars
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Bill L. Wilson


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Post  Posted 2 Oct 2017 7:25 pm     The Emmons.
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This is a '95 and I Love it......Been playin' it since '05 and all I do is oil it, change strings, and keep her polished up.
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Jack Hanson


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San Luis Valley, USA
Post  Posted 3 Oct 2017 4:06 am    
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Some of us are old enough to consider the LeGrande the very first "modern all-pull guitar."
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Jack Strayhorn

 

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Winston-Salem, NC
Post  Posted 3 Oct 2017 8:27 am    
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The LeGrande may not be as soft as some guitars and it was intentional. Buddy liked a certain level of resistance and Ron Lashley designed it as such.
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Greg Derksen

 

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Alberta, Canada
Post  Posted 3 Oct 2017 9:26 am    
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I have a Legrande 111 and a Franklin ,

the Legrande 111 is definitely stiffer but not so much that you can't go from guitar to guitar , its not a big deal at all.

Also with the 14 hole bell crank you can really tweak the pedals really well for travel and resistance, example , my 3rd pedal feels the same on the Emmons guitar as my 1st and 2nd pedal, on my Franklin my 3rd feels stiffer than the other two , but I think I can tweak that,

Greg
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Greg Derksen

 

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Alberta, Canada
Post  Posted 3 Oct 2017 9:38 am    
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Interesting note on the counter force on the Learned 111, I prefer it overall, no question. I know it adds a bit of resistance,
But I prefer the slight cabinet drop on a standard guitar for the 7th string when it lowers a few cents with both pedals 1 and 2 down, But with just about every other pedal or Knee combination I really like the counter force, YMMV.

Greg
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