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Steve Cunningham


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Post Posted 30 Aug 2017 7:22 am     Reply with quote

Any ideas? Needs to cover 2 3/4" string spacing.
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Mark Eaton


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Post Posted 30 Aug 2017 7:40 am     Reply with quote

You need a Charlie's Slide Pro Capo. Perhaps the best "floating" style capo on the market with a minimum of what I refer to as "tone death."

Charlie sells most of them to six string dobro players but he has been making longer versions for 8 strings plus dobro and lap steels along with 10 string pedal steel. He has even made one or more for 12 string MSA SuperSlide lap/non pedal steel.

The capo can be installed with one hand.

I have had my six string version for going on three years and I have been kicking around getting one for my 8 string Clinesmith lap steel, and it could potentially double on 10 string E9th pedal steel. Charlie is a good man and he'll make sure you're a happy customer. Tell him I sent you!


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Michael Lester


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Post Posted 30 Aug 2017 9:51 am     Charlie's Capo Reply with quote

Absolutely. Very well made - clever design.
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Ed Pettersen


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Post Posted 30 Aug 2017 1:21 pm     Reply with quote

Ditto. I have one. Brilliant though not cheap but worth it.
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Mark Eaton


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Post Posted 30 Aug 2017 2:08 pm     Reply with quote

No - not cheap.

"You only cry once when you pay for quality."
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Steve Cunningham


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Post Posted 30 Aug 2017 7:27 pm     Reply with quote

It's unanimous...thanks guys!
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David Mason


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Post Posted 30 Aug 2017 8:37 pm     Reply with quote

Well, until the money tree sheds some fall leaves...

There is ALWAYS something you can cram under there. A couple of mine handle a simple 5/8" or 3/4" bar. The MSA Superslide has raised frets, so they require a grooved... thing. The Shubb-Pearce SP-1 bar has the length and a groove. But, it raises them a bit too high... keep eye peeled for "grooved thing" ->

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Steve Cunningham


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Post Posted 30 Aug 2017 10:39 pm     Reply with quote

li'l Farby...I love it!
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Bob Stone


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Post Posted 31 Aug 2017 9:21 am     Reply with quote

The Charlie's capo is terrific. He made one for my eight-string Sierra. Well worth the cost, in my opinion. Quick service, too.
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Bill Creller


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Post Posted 31 Aug 2017 11:51 am     Reply with quote

I hate to sound so dumb here (!!) but what does a capo do for a steel guitar ?? Very Happy
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Stefan Robertson


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Post Posted 1 Sep 2017 10:55 am     Reply with quote

Good question Bill

IMO Capo's are used to get a specific higher pitch voicing.

But most people who use them simply don't know they're instrument. Not you Steve just my issue with capos on guitars and steels.
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Brooks Montgomery


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Post Posted 1 Sep 2017 11:46 am     Reply with quote

Capos do a tremendous service if you're playing in keys within three or four frets of the nut, playing songs with open strings and hammer-ons and pull-offs. Usually on six-string steels and dobros (G & D tunings ).
Personally I'd have a hard time capoing with eight-string steels, as I don't do those machine-gun hammer-ons and such, only do so on my six-stringers. No doubt there are some out there that do.
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Brooks Montgomery


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Post Posted 1 Sep 2017 11:57 am     Reply with quote

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Stefan Robertson


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Post Posted 1 Sep 2017 12:19 pm     Reply with quote

I get if you're playing style is based on hammer ons.

but couldn't he have just played his E major modes and C#m blues scale without it at speed?

granted hammer ons are quick but surely at the current tempo he could achieve the same without it in a closed position.
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Brooks Montgomery


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Post Posted 1 Sep 2017 12:23 pm     Reply with quote

I'm in no position to second-guess Jerry Douglas Whoa!
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Stefan Robertson


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Post Posted 1 Sep 2017 12:35 pm     Reply with quote

I agree he is a shredder at what he does but I was simply stating it could be achieved without the need for a capo at all.

But its a players choice I guess.

To me Capo seems somewhat limiting and counter-productive to learning the instrument inside out. Unless of course you specifically want a hammer on choice at a specific octave.
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Mark Eaton


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Post Posted 1 Sep 2017 1:28 pm     Reply with quote

I could spend a long time on this subject but I don't want folks eyes to glaze over - plus I'm working from home today and I still need to get some things accomplished before I quit for the day.

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But most people who use them simply don't know they're instrument... just my issue with capos on guitars and steels.


Stefan, I have a saying I like to use every so often: "beware of sweeping generalizations."

One of my favorite guitarists on the planet is Mark Knopfler. I have seen him on occasion use a capo on electric guitar. I'm pretty sure he "knows" the instrument quite well. He is just one example of high profile guitarists who might occasionally use a capo on an electric. I figure if it's okay for Mark Knopfler to use a capo on an electric guitar, then it's okay for me as well.

If you went to Nashville and starting giving some of the top bluegrass flatpickers a hard time about using a capo, they might run you out of town.

Let's not even discuss lap steel for now - think about pedal steel. Many E9th players - and some are very accomplished - rarely raise the bar off the strings, and therefore play very few open strings. They typically place their bar over a given fret, pluck strings and use their pedals and knee levers to play chords and phrases, then move up or down the neck to a different fret marker. Isn't that for all intents and purposes like using a capo?
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Stefan Robertson


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Post Posted 2 Sep 2017 4:40 am     Reply with quote

Hey Mark

I agree with what you are saying that there are some fine players that use them but my sweeping statement is mores on the majority of other players especially the singer songwriter type on guitar and "Lap Slide" - Oooh I am not fond of that term.


Also I was merely stating that Playing an Major/Minor or whatever chord can be done or at least suggested in most tunings with a 6th interval in them. So why not just Slide/slant to the desired chord and play those intervals.

I do agree that hammer on style playing works well with a dobro and thus using a capo like this I get it.

but surely the inherent beauty is in connecting the slides every now and then making that distinguishable steel sound.

so thats why I said IMO a capo aint needed for most styles maybe only for artistic colours once in a while. same as guitar.
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Chris Templeton


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Post Posted 3 Sep 2017 10:08 am     Reply with quote

Look at Jerry's left shoulder. It hardly moves when he's playing.
When I took lessons with Jerry Byrd, he would sometimes give my left shoulder a little slap to remind me not to move my shoulder when I was playing.
John Ely developed rotator cuff problems as a result of too much movement of his left shoulder and was forced to change his playing style.
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Steve Branscom


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Post Posted 4 Sep 2017 11:57 am     Reply with quote

Steve
As an aside, Charlie has sold over 1200 of these things so it's obviously been accepted. I'm trying to think of other dobro and steel guitar accoutrements (sp?) that have that much of a market reach.
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David Mason


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Post Posted 6 Sep 2017 10:34 am     Reply with quote

Anything you can play above the 2nd fret you should be able to transpose, but open strings are still cool. Besides the licks made with them, there's also the issue of the harmonic content generated when playing with some CRANK on the amp. It's not important for beautific, clean-toned stuff, Hawaiian and otherwise, but I love rock 'n' roll. Too. And Indian music. Too. And blues music. Too.

(It IS a great exercise for bar speed & muting to whip up some open-string to 2nd & 3rd fret hammer-ons and them try to play the same type of thing using frets 5, 7 and 8; and 7, 8 and 9 - it's also harder, the better you are at the open-string ones!)
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