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Topic: My Lacquer Emmons Resto Phase 1 |
Mike Scaggs
From: Nashville, TN
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Posted 25 Mar 2017 4:15 am
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Here is a 73 Lacquer / wood neck Emmons in the process of getting a full resto by me. Somewhere along the way someone anodized all the aluminum gold. Well, it's going back to polished aluminum. I'm dropping the cabinet off at Southbound in a few days (same guys who do the finishes on ShowPros) . Now I'm going through all the small parts which are incredibly crusty and dirty. Here are a few pics and a link to all the pics is below.
A big Thank you to Lynn Stafford for the good recommendations and parts I will need
http://www.p2pamps.com/steelguitars
_________________ I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you
Zum double Hybrid 8x9, 64 Twin (JBLs), p2pAmps Bad-Dawg, p2pAmps Tremendous Reverb, Visit my website www.p2pamps.com
Last edited by Mike Scaggs on 24 May 2017 4:10 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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Mike Scaggs
From: Nashville, TN
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Posted 25 Mar 2017 8:20 am .
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Before and after changer... Amazing what 40+ years will do to a changer. She will play like new soon.
_________________ I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you
Zum double Hybrid 8x9, 64 Twin (JBLs), p2pAmps Bad-Dawg, p2pAmps Tremendous Reverb, Visit my website www.p2pamps.com |
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John Brock
From: Xenia, Ohio
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Posted 25 Mar 2017 8:24 am Emmons resto
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Shazam!...thats a beauty...good luck on it.. _________________ GFI S10 Nashville 400 Epiphone J200 Kentucky BM650 Mandolin Fender 112 Alvarez 5018 12
Rus-Ler Deluxe |
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Don Mogle
From: Round Rock, TX, USA
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Posted 25 Mar 2017 10:58 am Emmons PP
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That looks great Mike! Keep the photos of the restoration coming. I love seeing this kind of stuff.
Don |
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Herb Steiner
From: Spicewood TX 78669
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Posted 25 Mar 2017 11:31 am
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I kinda like the gold, Mike. _________________ My rig: Infinity and Telonics.
Son, we live in a world with walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with steel guitars. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinberg? |
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Abe Levy
From: California, USA
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Posted 25 Mar 2017 2:15 pm
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Very cool!! _________________ Mostly Pre-1970 guitars. |
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Mike Perlowin
From: Los Angeles CA
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Posted 25 Mar 2017 4:05 pm
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Herb Steiner wrote: |
I kinda like the gold, Mike. |
Me too. I think you should keep it. Especially if it goes well wth the wood stain you will be using. _________________ Please visit my web site and Soundcloud page and listen to the music posted there.
http://www.mikeperlowin.com http://soundcloud.com/mike-perlowin |
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Chris Lucker
From: Los Angeles, California USA
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Posted 25 Mar 2017 4:23 pm
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What is going to happen to the fit of the rollers in the roller nut slots if the anodized surfaces are removed? _________________ Chris Lucker
Red Bellies, Bigsbys and a lot of other guitars. |
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Mike Scaggs
From: Nashville, TN
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Posted 26 Mar 2017 3:48 am ..
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Hi Chris
Those rollers will fit just fine after the gold is removed as anodizing is almost like a stain and really has little if any thickness. That apparently was done after this guitar was made by lord knows who. In fact it buffs right off with not too much effort. _________________ I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you
Zum double Hybrid 8x9, 64 Twin (JBLs), p2pAmps Bad-Dawg, p2pAmps Tremendous Reverb, Visit my website www.p2pamps.com |
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Mike Scaggs
From: Nashville, TN
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Posted 26 Mar 2017 3:49 am
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Herb Steiner wrote: |
I kinda like the gold, Mike. |
Hate it LOL - besides, it all so rough in person I could never keep it on there. I think I'm going to do her up in a blue/black like this pic...
_________________ I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you
Zum double Hybrid 8x9, 64 Twin (JBLs), p2pAmps Bad-Dawg, p2pAmps Tremendous Reverb, Visit my website www.p2pamps.com |
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Chris Lucker
From: Los Angeles, California USA
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Posted 26 Mar 2017 10:36 am
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Anodizing is not like s stain. A stain you could remove with a solvent and maintain material thickness. You are going to need to remove material to remove the anodizing. The buffing wheel you mention will not access the slots in the keyheads.
Count on 0.002" thickness of your gold anodizing in the surface of the Emmons alloy. The sanding or polishing belt will be removing 0.004" from each slot when you add both sides of each slot. Four thousandths is a lot of added slop. That is a piece of 7x tippet material. _________________ Chris Lucker
Red Bellies, Bigsbys and a lot of other guitars. |
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Mike Scaggs
From: Nashville, TN
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Posted 26 Mar 2017 8:03 pm
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Chris Lucker wrote: |
Anodizing is not like s stain. A stain you could remove with a solvent and maintain material thickness. You are going to need to remove material to remove the anodizing. The buffing wheel you mention will not access the slots in the keyheads.
Count on 0.002" thickness of your gold anodizing in the surface of the Emmons alloy. The sanding or polishing belt will be removing 0.004" from each slot when you add both sides of each slot. Four thousandths is a lot of added slop. That is a piece of 7x tippet material. |
Thank you for you insight Chis. You are obviously more skilled at this than I am. I guess stain was abad choice of words to describe the anodizing. _________________ I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you
Zum double Hybrid 8x9, 64 Twin (JBLs), p2pAmps Bad-Dawg, p2pAmps Tremendous Reverb, Visit my website www.p2pamps.com |
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Chris Lucker
From: Los Angeles, California USA
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Posted 26 Mar 2017 8:30 pm
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I have done it before, but have a lathe where I could machine the new rollers to fit. _________________ Chris Lucker
Red Bellies, Bigsbys and a lot of other guitars. |
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Mike Scaggs
From: Nashville, TN
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Posted 27 Mar 2017 2:29 am .
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Well I got a lot of the small parts cleaned and ready to go yesterday in my Ultrasonic hot tank. Legs were froze up so they are perfect now. I'm going to need a few more bell cranks and some new rods too. Body is headed for the finisher this morning... Now I wait.
_________________ I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you
Zum double Hybrid 8x9, 64 Twin (JBLs), p2pAmps Bad-Dawg, p2pAmps Tremendous Reverb, Visit my website www.p2pamps.com |
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Jeff Garden
From: Center Sandwich, New Hampshire, USA
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Posted 27 Mar 2017 4:47 am
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Looks great, Mike! Those zip-loc bags look like a must to keep everything organized and not find extra parts after it's assembled Two thumbs up for that blue and black color combination. |
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Mike Scaggs
From: Nashville, TN
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Posted 27 Mar 2017 4:53 am
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Jeff Garden wrote: |
Looks great, Mike! Those zip-loc bags look like a must to keep everything organized and not find extra parts after it's assembled Two thumbs up for that blue and black color combination. |
Thanks Jeff
Yeah I'm an amateur when it comes to this so the bags help me keep it all straight. My real thing is building/repairing tube amps which is of course dealing with lots of parts as well. Now it will be about 4 weeks before the body comes back (I hate waiting LOL) _________________ I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you
Zum double Hybrid 8x9, 64 Twin (JBLs), p2pAmps Bad-Dawg, p2pAmps Tremendous Reverb, Visit my website www.p2pamps.com |
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Henry Matthews
From: Texarkana, Ark USA
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Posted 27 Mar 2017 9:16 am
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Wow Mike, you doing a great job, I liked the gold too.
That's going to be one nice guitar. _________________ Henry Matthews
D-10 Magnum, 8 &5, dark rose color
D-10 1974 Emmons cut tail, fat back,rosewood, 8&5
Nashville 112 amp, Fishman Loudbox Performer amp, Hilton pedal, Goodrich pedal,BJS bar, Kyser picks, Live steel Strings. No effects, doodads or stomp boxes. |
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john widgren
From: Wilton CT
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Posted 27 Mar 2017 9:18 am Southbound
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Steve Fazio at Southbound did some work for me and I was very happy with the result. I went with poly and was glad I did.
Good luck..looks like a fun project... and when yer done:
OOH BABY!
Best, JW _________________ Steel Guitar Services:
Live performance and recording. Instruments, repairs and lessons. Fresh bait/discount sushi.
(203) 858-8498
widcj@hotmail.com |
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Mike Scaggs
From: Nashville, TN
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Posted 27 Mar 2017 9:28 am Re: Southbound
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john widgren wrote: |
Steve Fazio at Southbound did some work for me and I was very happy with the result. I went with poly and was glad I did.
Good luck..looks like a fun project... and when yer done:
OOH BABY!
Best, JW |
Yeah ole Steve has quite the operation over there at Southbound. Just came from there and that smell! Love wood-shop smells. 4 weeks and waiting _________________ I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you
Zum double Hybrid 8x9, 64 Twin (JBLs), p2pAmps Bad-Dawg, p2pAmps Tremendous Reverb, Visit my website www.p2pamps.com |
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Herb Steiner
From: Spicewood TX 78669
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Posted 27 Mar 2017 9:46 am
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You're doing all the right stuff, man. The bags and the labeling are a must for OCD'ers. I use the same system when disassembling and reassembling. Makes things so much easier.
That will be one beautiful guitar when finished, Mike. Of this I am sure. _________________ My rig: Infinity and Telonics.
Son, we live in a world with walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with steel guitars. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinberg? |
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Rick Johnson
From: Wheelwright, Ky USA
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Roger Rettig
From: Naples, FL
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Posted 27 Mar 2017 12:02 pm
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That 'before' picture is scary - what on earth were they thinking????? _________________ Roger Rettig - Emmons D10s, Quilter TT-12, B-bender Teles and old Martins.
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Tony Prior
From: Charlotte NC
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Posted 27 Mar 2017 12:15 pm
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great stuff, thanks for sharing ! _________________ Emmons L-II , Fender Telecasters, B-Benders
Pro Tools 12 on WIN 7 !
jobless- but not homeless- now retired 9 years
CURRENT MUSIC TRACKS AT > https://tprior2241.wixsite.com/website |
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Bobby Boggs
From: Upstate SC.
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Posted 27 Mar 2017 5:49 pm
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Looking good. The gold looked like nasty nicotine stain. As Roger wrote. What were they thinking. |
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Tony Glassman
From: The Great Northwest
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Posted 27 Mar 2017 6:00 pm
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Use the zip lock bags during rebuilds too. |
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