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Joachim Kettner


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Post Posted 6 Mar 2017 11:56 am     Reply with quote

Richard Nelson wrote:
Trends come and go . Steel will always come back . Remember the early 80's ? There wasn't much steel around then .... Randy Travis and Ricky Scaggs brought it back .

So you think of music as trends. Now that's funny!
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Mark Eaton


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Sonoma County in The Great State Of Northern California
Post Posted 6 Mar 2017 12:56 pm     Reply with quote

Joachim Kettner wrote:
Richard Nelson wrote:
Trends come and go . Steel will always come back . Remember the early 80's ? There wasn't much steel around then .... Randy Travis and Ricky Scaggs brought it back .

So you think of music as trends. Now that's funny!


Joachim, I don't get the joke. (?)

Richard - probably the two most mixed up names in the music biz:

Ricky Skaggs

Boz Scaggs
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Joachim Kettner


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Post Posted 7 Mar 2017 3:52 am     Reply with quote

I don't think there will a "New Tradionalists" trend in the future, Mark.
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Howard Parker


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Post Posted 7 Mar 2017 6:15 am     Reply with quote

Joachim Kettner wrote:
I don't think there will a "New Tradionalists" trend in the future, Mark.


I would gently disagree. It's called "Americana".

Plenty of twang..
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Steven Hicken


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Post Posted 7 Mar 2017 10:08 am     Reply with quote

Howard Parker wrote:
Joachim Kettner wrote:
I don't think there will a "New Tradionalists" trend in the future, Mark.


I would gently disagree. It's called "Americana".

Plenty of twang..


Totally agree Howard.

Look at First Aid Kit.

I know a lot of young people in England who love their music.

In fact, two lasses from my school a year or so ago actually approached me to play the song Emmylou with them.

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Joachim Kettner


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Post Posted 7 Mar 2017 10:09 am     Reply with quote

"Americana" I never liked that term. I'm sure there are many good artists that fall into the category. But they will never be as well known as those in the mid- eighties.
On the other side the listerners of contemporary Americana are sophisticated, so some of them could possibly start exploring the steel.
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Howard Parker


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Post Posted 7 Mar 2017 10:27 am     Reply with quote

It's nothing more than a label and a broad one at that.

I'm booked at venues that would never consider "country". As an "Americana" band you might dig into our set list and find covers by Emmylou, Conway, Loretta, Patsy, George..etc. in addition to other twangy stuff including originals.

Get the picture? Cool

You might not get (or care) about the label but most everyone I play for is in the 30-45 yo age bracket. That's a good place to be I think.

Old dog + new label = new market

I'm not suggesting this is a magic elixir for aging steel players. I'm just pointing to a strategy that seems to have worked for me. Trust me when I say that there is nothing unique/special about my abilities. I just had a desire to play in front of an audience and found a home in this space.

ymmv

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Howard Parker


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Post Posted 7 Mar 2017 10:44 am     Reply with quote

As an aside, check out the Americana Music Assoc. awards.

You'll see familiar names.

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David Mason


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Cambridge, MD, USA
Post Posted 7 Mar 2017 8:23 pm     Reply with quote

I personally have serious disc problems, I'm lucky to be able to play anything at all, but: I get up about 5:30am, peak about 9am; by 7pm, fergit it, bands here START at 10pm. So what I hear is what I find, but a much larger factor is: I don't much care for a lot of the music that is being played by a lot of bands, which of course is fine. Some have steel, some don't. One of the newer darlings of the summer festival/jamband circuit is the New Orleans-based "Revivalists", here's a clip with a few million views.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0Pt7M0weUI
They tote a fulltime steel player who is in there in the mix, doing a good bit of chordal work. They're not WHAPPIN' you with it, but he's busy. Overall, they're not my cup of tea. But they got #1 on some...thing... make enough categories, everybody can win! Yikes. Ed Williams, pedal steel guitar, get'm Ed.

There's another whole genre called "post-rock", which has been kinda rudely described as Album-Oriented Rock without Vocals -AORWOV? The "Red Sparowes" are awash in pedal steel, and still kicking hard. But I don't particularly like them. Greg Burns, pedal steel guitar - get'm Greg! I mean, going through that list of over 100 I keep citing ad nausea*, there's only maybe 15 I would listen to repeatedly if I didn't have more other stuff to do. But it's THERE, is all. I wouldn't buy music I didn't like just because it had steel, likewise I wish a number of them (cited) like Christopher Woitach WOULD find an outlet/excuse/budget/SOMEthing to make a steel CD, because me and probably three other people would buy it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axEmQ4oPq3Q
He has a like a "chamber jazz" clip somewhere in that thread I don't have time to dig up right away, but it is tubular. Totally.

*(Latin for "plus barfy")

P.S.("Americana" is OBVIOUSLY what could also be called "real country music." No Nudie suits unless they're worn out, no fake holes in the knees of brand-new, yet-thrashed, blue jeans; huh? Gurrrls... Just songs that tell stories and start at the beginning and go to the end. WHO to blame for what is now called "country music?" I don't have time to worry on it. 4 out of 5 psychiatrists recommend - SHOOT yer RADIO & yer TELEVISION.)
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Bruce Bjork


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Southern Coast of Maine
Post Posted 8 Mar 2017 6:50 am     Reply with quote

First Aid Kit, never heard of this duo before, but will be listening to them going forward.
Great music

https://youtu.be/Y3TzP-o4vhs
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Post Posted 8 Mar 2017 8:28 am     Reply with quote

Howard Parker wrote:
As an aside, check out the Americana Music Assoc. awards.

You'll see familiar names.

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Cindy Cashdollar nominated for Instrumentalist of the Year. All right! Mr. Green
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