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Topic: New Williams 12 String Keyless - Extended E9th (Updated) |
Greg Lambert
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Illinois, USA
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Posted 23 Oct 2016 11:52 am |
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| OF course it sounds good... A professional like Greg can make anything sound good.... |
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Greg Cutshaw
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Corry, PA, USA
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gary pierce
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Rossville TN
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Posted 24 Oct 2016 6:20 am
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| Sounded like a permanent Sho Bud sweet. |
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Greg Cutshaw
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Corry, PA, USA
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Greg Cutshaw
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Corry, PA, USA
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Posted 16 Feb 2017 4:02 pm
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Found a matching guitar. It's a used Peavey Generations EXP Custom in almost an identical burnt orange color. Just googled orange guitar and this one in a music store in Ohio had one for a really low price. I had one of these many years ago and sold it when I sold the Jim Vest Sho-Bud. This one has a really straight neck and one pickup modified. No idea why the forum is turning all my photos upside down lately!
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Greg Cutshaw
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Corry, PA, USA
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Posted 17 Feb 2017 5:18 pm
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Updated the copedant! Put the top two Franklin changes on pedal 1 and split the bottom Franklin change to RKLF. Having the low B to A by itself opens up a lot more chords. I've set the puller and changer rod locations to get a super fast action on pedal 1.
Changed LKV to lower the 3rd string a half tone. Mostly I just like how it sounds against the no pedal tuning by itself. I kept the G# to A# on LKV to get a full sounding b5 chord with the b5 being the lowest string.
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John Goux
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California, USA
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Posted 18 Feb 2017 1:52 am
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Hi Greg.
The G# to G change is very useful and especially easy for those that play 6 string. Why would you not have it on both string 3 and 6?
The G#'to A#'is cool as well. It gives you degrees 5 to 6 in the A/F major chord(and the A pedal minor) which makes that inversion ever more useful.
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Greg Cutshaw
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Corry, PA, USA
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Posted 18 Feb 2017 7:45 am
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John lowering the 6th string would interfere with the full sounding 13b5 chord I get by playing strings 11,9,6 and 5 while pressing P1 and LKV. Kind of a higher pitched boo-wah but useful in other ways as well!
Last edited by Greg Cutshaw on 20 Feb 2017 6:26 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Jerry Overstreet
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Louisville Ky
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Posted 18 Feb 2017 8:01 am
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Greg, your photo file size is too large to load properly. I copied your photo and reduced the size in my computer's file explorer to 840X630 and it loads upright. About 800X600 is ideal here, I think. Nice looking pair there BTW.
From forum feedback:
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Greg Cutshaw
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Corry, PA, USA
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Posted 18 Feb 2017 9:12 am
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Jerry, the photo when viewed on the forum is upside down in Chrome and Edge on my computer, and right side up in Chrome on my phone. The source photo is right side up on all my devices.
I took it into Photoshop, enhanced it and resized it to 1500 wide x 1125 high and now it displays OK everywhere. I had to clear the Chrome cache to get the new photo to appear correctly. My display here is 1920 x 1080. Didn't realize I left it at 3650 pixels wide coming off my phone. You are right! Size does make a difference! |
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Greg Cutshaw
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Corry, PA, USA
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Posted 18 Feb 2017 11:14 am
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Here's a sample track with the Willy and Telonics amp showing:
1) Ext E9th full range rhythm vamp with bottom E string on the end
2) E13, E13b5 add 11th string and LKV
3) Franklin pedal P1 and RKLF
4) Franklin pedal used as a rhythm vamp
5) Full range of tuning, P2 + RKLF
6) Bit of Nashville sound
7)3rd string being rocked with LKV (Norm Hamlet type sound)
Click Here To Listen! |
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Stephen Rethmeier
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Nashville TN
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Posted 19 Feb 2017 8:15 am Inspired me
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Hey Greg,
You inspired me to order a Williams extended e9 keyless.
I've wanted a Williams 12-string for a couple years since standing next to Greg Leisz in a recording studio while he played his on a friends record (though his isn't keyless). I read your review last week and played some of the clips. My wife was sitting in the same room and she asked, "what is that?" And then almost immediately said, "you should get one!" Well, okay then! It's coming in June and that's my birthday month, so I'll have that going for me. Very excited.
I'm still deciding on the copedant and wanted to ask about your lowering the 12th string to C# with the LKL. I have only been playing a few years (went out and got a 10-string after that day with Greg), so I don't have a lot of experience and my brain is not connecting the dots on how that would be used. Can you explain?
Thanks for the inspiration and for the resources you provide. You're posts and contributions have been a help in the past, as well.
Steve
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Williams S12 Ext. E9 keyless, Williams S12 Ext. E9 keyed, Telonics TCA 500C, Quilter Steelaire, Magic Fender clone, 1937 Model 59 Rick 6, 1940 Epiphone 7-string Zephyr, Oahu 6, 8+/- regular guitars, Kawai baby grand, two cats... |
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Greg Cutshaw
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Corry, PA, USA
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Posted 19 Feb 2017 9:50 am
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I don't think the low C# is a bit deal but it's a nice novelty sound. It gives you a Root note on the bottom when pressing pedal 1 and the E to F knee lever. I've got a bunch more 12 string tabs to post that show this and the fullness of the lower 2 strings. It's pretty easy to change the copedant on the Williams so maybe just order a few spare rod pullers, cranks and nylon tuners for later if you want to change or add something.
Bill's spare parts prices are very reasonable. His integrity in meeting his delivery dates is just awesome. The lacquer finishes are a real nice touch too. |
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Greg Cutshaw
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Corry, PA, USA
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Posted 19 Feb 2017 10:44 am
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Steve, I just threw a few sounds together to show the tuning's range and some low C# sounds.
At 0:22 to 41 and 0:46 to 0:54 you can hear the low C# change on LKL in action. And at 1:40 you can hear the split Franklin change with the Low A on the 10th string playing a 6/9 chord.
http://www.gregcutshaw.com/Williams%2012%20String%20Keyless/15.mp3 |
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Mike Perlowin
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Los Angeles CA
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Greg Cutshaw
From:
Corry, PA, USA
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Posted 19 Feb 2017 1:34 pm
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A bit more of the LKV used as a true 13b5 instead of minor 7th boo-wah and some more low string sounds. And if you're not overpowered by or don't have a lead guitarist blowing your ears out, you can do you some Luther Perkins on the bottom 3 strings.
http://www.gregcutshaw.com/Williams%2012%20String%20Keyless/16.mp3 |
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Greg Cutshaw
From:
Corry, PA, USA
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Posted 19 Feb 2017 1:43 pm
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Mike, this model 700 Williams plays as well as the MSA in every regard. The model 700 has very positive pedal stops and smooth even travel. I really couldn't pick between them or the 12 String Excel.
They have different features and that's maybe just personal preference. e.g. MSA has swap-able pickups, interchangeable pedal rods and lots of other unique features. The Williams is keyless and super compact. The Excel has a bit more sustain and a fuller tone than either while also being keyless and perhaps has a pulling train that's as smooth as a push pull. |
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Greg Cutshaw
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Corry, PA, USA
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Jim Bob Sedgwick
From:
Clinton, Missouri USA
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Posted 28 Feb 2017 5:33 pm
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| Greg, when did Bill Rudolph start making 24 and 1/2 inch scale guitars? As far as I know, he's always used 24 and 1/4 scale. |
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Jim Bob Sedgwick
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Clinton, Missouri USA
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Posted 28 Feb 2017 5:34 pm
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| Greg, when did Bill Rudolph start making 24 and 1/2 inch scale guitars? As far as I know, he's always used 24 and 1/4 scale. |
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Greg Cutshaw
From:
Corry, PA, USA
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Posted 28 Feb 2017 7:12 pm
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Mine measures exactly 24 3/16" top of nut roller to top of changer. Literature says 24 1/4". I've played all different brands and scales of guitars and never noticed any difference in play-ability of them based on scale.
http://www.williamsguitarcompany.com/technical_info.html |
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