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Topic: Need Some Cool 7th Chord Licks/Runs |
Bob Snelgrove
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Posted 14 Feb 2017 4:32 pm |
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You know, a lot of semi-modern (70's to 90's) country music has a lot of rock and roll influence. Travis Tritt, Clint Black, Mark Chestnutt. Merle, AJ etc.
Good hearted woman, Sit here and drink, Country club, I can't even get the blues etc. all have a 7th feel meaning that a IV7 chord would be appropriate along with a I7 and V7.
I'm looking for single string, medium to uptempo licks and runs that utilize 7ths *AND* all those cool in between chromatic notes like Paul, Tommy, Randle, MJ, etc seem to use a lot.
Most songs like this could easily have a fiddle and honkey tonk piano, even most western swing stuff.
Hope you know what I mean and can offer some cool runs 
thx
bob
I'm mainly talking E9 |
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Dick Sexton
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Posted 14 Feb 2017 4:58 pm I'll be following this thread closely...
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Bob, I've found this fellows approach interesting. His 6 string guitar tab, adapts pretty nicely to the E9th fret board lower strings. https://www.effectivemusicpractice.com/sfs-modes-crash-course/sfsmcc1/
I too would like to know what the masters listened to in their early development. I'm thinking anything but steel or at least a lot of something else. |
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Lane Gray
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Posted 14 Feb 2017 6:25 pm
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There's a really cool lick the I stole 25 years ago from Larry Behm on the cassette of Vern Collins.
I'll try to make a video soon, but the gist of it is to play the standard single string scale licks where the B pedal moves a 3 to a 4 and the A pedal moves a 5 to a 6,BUT drop your Es and move them up 5 frets, so that the A pedal turns 1 to 2 and the B pedal moves a 6 to a b7.
Not too many single note things, but my YouTube channel has a bunch of blues things, and several times through Fast as You. The www bit in my signature points to my YouTube channel
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
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Bob Snelgrove
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san jose, ca
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Posted 15 Feb 2017 2:37 pm Re: I'll be following this thread closely...
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| Dick Sexton wrote: |
Bob, I've found this fellows approach interesting. His 6 string guitar tab, adapts pretty nicely to the E9th fret board lower strings. https://www.effectivemusicpractice.com/sfs-modes-crash-course/sfsmcc1/
I too would like to know what the masters listened to in their early development. I'm thinking anything but steel or at least a lot of something else. |
a litle above my pay grade but good stuff! i just want a few runs tabbed out that work well with 7th chords
bob |
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Dick Sexton
From:
Greenville, Ohio
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Posted 15 Feb 2017 2:49 pm Oops!
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 15 Feb 2017 2:52 pm
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Bob, what songs were you thinking of?
I can try to throw something together.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
More amps than guitars, and not many effects |
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Bob Snelgrove
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san jose, ca
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Bob Snelgrove
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san jose, ca
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Posted 15 Feb 2017 3:02 pm Re: Oops!
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No offense! I actually signed up for his lessons. Might learn somethin'!
bob |
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 15 Feb 2017 3:16 pm
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Do you have the 1st and 2nd string raise?
Do you drop your 5th to A#? I'd hate to show you ideas that won't work on your guitar.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
More amps than guitars, and not many effects |
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Bob Snelgrove
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san jose, ca
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Posted 15 Feb 2017 3:40 pm
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Do you have the 1st and 2nd string raise?
Do you drop your 5th to A#? I'd hate to show you ideas that won't work on your guitar. |
I do on one guitar but let's keep it simple. Basic setup.
My only go to run is pedals down position (E)
5th string @ 8th, slide to the 7th fret, 6th string pedal down @ 7th, 6th, 5th fret.
Scale notes (in E) G, F#, E, Eb, D.
So you have the pentatonic minor 3rd, chromatic run down, Dom 7th.
I'd like to expand on that feel and find other places to get that sound.
thx
bob |
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Bob Bestor
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Ashland, OR
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Bob Snelgrove
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Jim Pitman
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Waterbury Ctr. VT 05677 USA
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Posted 15 Feb 2017 6:54 pm
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| I think lane was getting at this.....drop down a whole step from the root and mash pedals 1and 2. Rather than go into some lengthy explain...just fool with it. Example - song in E. drop back to D fret 10, pick those upper strings 5,3,4, mashing pedals 1 and 2. |
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 16 Feb 2017 9:04 am
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I wasn't thinking dropping two frets, although that can be cool. I was thinking, if you're in E, drop your Es, and play your melody licks using the A and B pedals that you already know, but play them at the FIFTH fret.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
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Bob Snelgrove
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san jose, ca
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Douglas Schuch
From:
Valencia, Philippines
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Posted 17 Feb 2017 3:55 pm
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Bob,
This may not be what you are looking for, but I will throw it out there. If you go to this link you find Joe Wright's E9 lessons he did for Sierra Steel:
http://www.sierrasteels.com/lessons/e9th-lessons.html
Now, check out the very end of lesson 8 - Joe plays a really cool blues bit all based out of 7th chords. He does not explain what he is doing, but I decided to try to tab it out. The results (complete with lots of errors) can be found in my post here:
http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=247657
There are some really sweet single-note elements, but also lots of 7th chord stuff. If what I've tabbed does not match what you here, shoot me a PM or email and I will correct it - tab ain't easy to write!
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Douglas Schuch
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Posted 17 Feb 2017 4:15 pm
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In playing with the Sierra website, I see it does not open the lessons in Chrome, but does in Internet Explorer. So, if you can not access them, try another program?
Also, I see Joe and Sierra have added a number of new E9 lessons, and also lots of Universal lessons. I will be sorting through these - such a great resource, particularly for you Uni-players!
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Mark van Allen
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Posted 17 Feb 2017 5:42 pm
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While some great single note licks are in "non-obvious" positions, many of the greatest are in pockets around the chord positions. One fine place to look is for Franklinish things at the pedals-down position sliding into and out of the notes a half step down on nearly every string, but especially string 2, 3, and 4.
Another great place to look, if you have the B-Bb change, is two frets back from "open" or no pedals… basically a 9th chord. Buddy E milked that one to death.
Another nice spot is two frets above no pedals, with pedals down, root on the 9th string. Hunt around and you'll find some single note stuff that you'll use every night.
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Bob Snelgrove
From:
san jose, ca
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Posted 17 Feb 2017 5:50 pm
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| Mark van Allen wrote: |
While some great single note licks are in "non-obvious" positions, many of the greatest are in pockets around the chord positions. One fine place to look is for Franklinish things at the pedals-down position sliding into and out of the notes a half step down on nearly every string, but especially string 2, 3, and 4.
Another great place to look, if you have the B-Bb change, is two frets back from "open" or no pedals… basically a 9th chord. Buddy E milked that one to death.
Another nice spot is two frets above no pedals, with pedals down, root on the 9th string. Hunt around and you'll find some single note stuff that you'll use every night. |
Thanks, Mark
Since you teach, how bout a 4 bar 1/8th note run from a V7 back to a 1?
bob
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Bob Snelgrove
From:
san jose, ca
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Posted 22 Feb 2017 7:45 am
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Last call I guess for just one cool single string ascending or descending run to go from a I to a I7 to a IV.
bob |
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 22 Feb 2017 12:18 pm
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Be patient. My work schedule sucks this year.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
More amps than guitars, and not many effects |
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Bob Snelgrove
From:
san jose, ca
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Posted 28 Mar 2017 4:42 pm
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b0b,
Can you move this to the Tablature section? I might have better luck over there.
thx
bob |
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Dave Magram
From:
San Jose, California, USA
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Posted 28 Mar 2017 9:06 pm
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Hey Bob,
A couple of months ago, I came across a whole bunch of free PSG lessons on YouTube by someone named “Steel Picking†who is an excellent player. I asked about him on the SGF to give him a shout-out, but no one knew who he was. 
This 20-minute video sounds like what you may be looking for:
“20+ C7 Licks | Pedal Steel Guitarâ€
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWd9nA1rvQw
Here’s his YouTube “channel†listing all of his YouTube videos:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHM8uFK2a4xx4za2nDRsvCQ
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Bob Snelgrove
From:
san jose, ca
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Posted 28 Mar 2017 9:13 pm
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| Dave Magram wrote: |
Hey Bob,
A couple of months ago, I came across a whole bunch of free PSG lessons on YouTube by someone named “Steel Picking†who is an excellent player. I asked about him on the SGF to give him a shout-out, but no one knew who he was.
This 20-minute video sounds like what you may be looking for:
“20+ C7 Licks | Pedal Steel Guitarâ€
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWd9nA1rvQw
Here’s his YouTube “channel†listing all of his YouTube videos:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHM8uFK2a4xx4za2nDRsvCQ
-Dave |
Thanks, Dave
I did find that. It's not single string but I put a request in to him. Good teacher.
bob |
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Dan Klotz
From:
Houston, Texas
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Posted 28 Mar 2017 10:22 pm
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You might already know this, but playing a whole step down from any chord produces a dominant 7th. So if you're in A, you can use 2 string A and G chords moving up and down the neck.
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