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Topic: adding 2nd str lower to e/eb lever ? |
Michael Dulin
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Indiana, USA
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Posted 12 Jan 2017 9:41 am |
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| any comments pro/con on changing 2nd str lower from eb/d/c# lever to e/eb lever and just lowering 2&9 to just a half tone on one lever?MD |
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 12 Jan 2017 10:12 am
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I use all three notes on the 2nd string. I'd hate to lose the C#.
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Jeff Mead
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London, England
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Posted 12 Jan 2017 10:27 am Re: adding 2nd str lower to e/eb lever ?
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| Michael Dulin wrote: |
| any comments pro/con on changing 2nd str lower from eb/d/c# lever to e/eb lever and just lowering 2&9 to just a half tone on one lever?MD |
I'm confused here.
Are you suggesting lowering your 2nd string on the same lever that lowers your e (4th) string?
or tuning your 2nd string to e and lowering it to eb?
or something else? |
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Ian Rae
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Redditch, England
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Posted 12 Jan 2017 2:13 pm
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What I think Michael is suggesting is to put the 2nd string D#-C# change on the lever that lowers the Es (what many people call the "E" lever) - this is common on a uni as it gives the equivalent of the C6 1st string D when you're in B6 mode; and then to have the lever that lowers 2 & 9 (the "D" lever?) giving just the D# - D change on string 2 and D - C# on 9.
So pro if you like to play a bit of B6, con if you're used to having all 3 notes on one lever.
(I have no vote as I tune 2 to C# and raise it  )
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Michael Dulin
From:
Indiana, USA
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Posted 12 Jan 2017 4:45 pm lever change
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| Sorry guys...I didn't make it clear enough but Ian is correct. Change the c# lower to e/eb lever and change the std 2nd str lever to just lowering a half tone to d. ThanksMD |
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 12 Jan 2017 6:20 pm
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Here's three minutes of why I don't like it. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EdfmMfzvcI4
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Pete Burak
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Portland, OR USA
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Posted 12 Jan 2017 11:03 pm
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The whole tone lower on string 2 will make your E to Eb lever really long. Having tried it, not a fan of combining those.
I do like having a lever you can slam hard and have both strings 2 and 9 hit a D, without any halfstep mush. |
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 12 Jan 2017 11:30 pm
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I agree with Pete Burak. The pull will be either too long or too hard.
I don't like half-stops, so my lever just lowers 2 to D and 9 to C#. I use a pedal to get the D#-C# change. I know it's unorthodox, but I don't feel the need for the D#-C# change all that often. I use the D lever a lot, especially with the A+B and B+C pedal positions. I need it to be solid in tune, and I've never been able to land on it good enough with a half-stop.
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Last edited by b0b on 13 Jan 2017 9:54 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Mike Perlowin
From:
Los Angeles CA
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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Posted 13 Jan 2017 5:40 am
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Whatever my opinion is worth, I can say it in 3 words. Don't do it.
The 2nd string is capable of 4 notes, raise, natural, 1/2 tone drop and full tone drop.
For all practicality, the 2nd string raise belongs with the 1st string raise and the 1/2 tone drop belongs on the same lever as the full tone drop as you would never use those two notes at the same time, thus put them on the same lever. YES, the two notes "can be and are" used in the same phrase.
True, some Steels have a difficult time setting the 1/2 tone drop "feel". No doubt. Find a way. Add a stopper spring if need be.
I added some Home Depot parts to my previous Carter in the photo an extra rod and a stiff spring which was just shy of a hard stop for the half tone, adjusted by the nut behind the spring.
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Michael Dulin
From:
Indiana, USA
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Posted 13 Jan 2017 7:41 am 2nd str
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| Thanks for the input guys. I thought it might make the pull too hard or long. Just thinking of ways to separate the D/C# change. I also have a little trouble with the half stop feel. I like your mod Tony same as on my PP E to F. What about on LKV as I don't use B/Bb? I've thought of using it for Franklin change or raising 2&1...any ideas on this? ThanksMD |
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Michael Dulin
From:
Indiana, USA
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Posted 13 Jan 2017 8:47 am 2nd str
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| PS...Lane, thanks for the video...Bob the chart...Tony, the pic.MD |
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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Posted 13 Jan 2017 9:42 am
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for me, moving the 2nd string drop over to the left leg would be a deal killer, as I use the 2nd string Up, Down and double down frequently with the AB Peds.
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