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Derrick Unger
From: Newark Ohio, USA
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Posted 12 Sep 2016 5:35 pm
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Ok...got a steel that has RKL pulling string 1 from F# to a G and string 2 from D# to E. Can anyone tell me why...or what is the purpose? Usually the lever would
be pulling strings 1 and 7 to a G. _________________ Music is good for the soul..playing it is even better! Gretsch6strLapSteel*PeaveyNashville400*HudsonSD-10*DigitechRP360*FenderChampion100*PeaveyKB300*Goodrich120*Behringerx1204*BehringerMini4*Mullen S10"Discovery"*Peavey Vegas400*Princeton112plus*SuperChampX2*SidekickReverb65*Rumble100*MarshallMG50DFX*Nashville112 |
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Paddy Long
From: Christchurch, New Zealand
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Posted 12 Sep 2016 6:18 pm
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Derrick that first string pull normally goes F# to G# .. there is lots of uses for it but one thing it does is give you a unison note (with the lever engaged) with string 3 .... hit string 3, engage the lever then hit string 1, then let the lever off !
Same with string 2 and string 4 ...unison notes again... there is some quite common licks and and riffs using both these combinations together. _________________ 14'Zumsteel Hybrid D10 9+9
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Lane Gray
From: Topeka, KS
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Posted 12 Sep 2016 6:27 pm
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Here's a video I did showing some uses for it: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XUykptG6DBQ _________________ 2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
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Derrick Unger
From: Newark Ohio, USA
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Posted 12 Sep 2016 7:16 pm continuing
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Ok..thanks already Lane and Paddy..I am still very much a beginner. this is my 4th pedal steel in a year..
my other steels pulled strings 1 and 7, which I think is a typical setup..so I was a little stumped..also when I received it..it was out of tune..string 1 was a very flat G#..so I thought it was perhaps it was supposed to be just a halfstep raise to G. So per Paddy
maybe this should be to G# instead..the important thing is this is a somewhat normal lever setup and maybe I should keep it and try it..I already talked to Jimmie Hudson who originally built this guitar about taking the raise on string 2 off and and pulling string 7 to a G as normal...how about doing strings 1,2 and 7 on 1 lever??? comments _________________ Music is good for the soul..playing it is even better! Gretsch6strLapSteel*PeaveyNashville400*HudsonSD-10*DigitechRP360*FenderChampion100*PeaveyKB300*Goodrich120*Behringerx1204*BehringerMini4*Mullen S10"Discovery"*Peavey Vegas400*Princeton112plus*SuperChampX2*SidekickReverb65*Rumble100*MarshallMG50DFX*Nashville112 |
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Lane Gray
From: Topeka, KS
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Posted 12 Sep 2016 8:13 pm
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If you're gonna pull only to G, you kinda defeat the purpose of the 2nd string raise.
My LKR raises 1 to G and lowers 6 to F# _________________ 2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
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Tim Russell
From: Pennsylvania, USA
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Posted 13 Sep 2016 1:24 am
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I have my Sierra RKL set up on 1 & 2 raise & 6 lower. Not the most perfect setup to drop the 6th on the same knee as raising 1 & 2, but I make it work. I can pedal on the 2nd pedal to bring the 6th back up to G# when utilizing that knee if I need to.
I set my RKR to 2nd lower, 9th lower, & 7th raise, and this works out quite well for my style of playing.
You can kinda tune a half stop into the mix with the 1/2 string raise, 6th lower & keep the F# to G#; Tune the 2nd & 6th strings to start to engage when the 1rst string reaches "G". I have done this on both of my right knees & it works out great for me.
I hope that all makes sense the way I explained it! _________________ Sierra Crown D-10 |
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Jeff Mead
From: London, England
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Posted 13 Sep 2016 3:18 am
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That change came with my Sho~Bud and I kind of like it.
When you are doing a harmonised scale all on the same fret, the last 2 steps instead of 1&2 open followed by 3&4 open, you can bend into the final one by engaging the lever on 1&2. |
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Jason Putnam
From: Tennessee, USA
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Posted 13 Sep 2016 5:37 am
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I have this change on my Mullen. But I got rid of the six lower and raise the 7 to a G. It also acts as a half stop for the first string. Probably not the best way to do it, but it's what works for me. I just couldn't get used to the sixth string lower. So now I raise 1,2, and 7 _________________ 1967 Emmons Bolt On, 1995 Mullen PRP 3x5,Nashville 112, JOYO Digital Delay, Goodrich Volume Pedal, Livesteel Strings |
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Steve Knight
From: NC
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Posted 13 Sep 2016 7:42 am
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I use the RKL to pull 1 & 2 up to G# and E fairly often. It lets you play a major scale, harmonized in 3rds on those strings up/down the neck. If you engage the lever, you have a major 3rd, if you release the lever, you're back to a minor 3rd. It's great.
I also lower 6 to F# with that lever, and have a half-stop to get the G. The full lower gives me major and minor 3rds on strings 6 & 8 (or 6 & 4), allowing me to harmonize the major scale up/down in thirds (or 6ths) on those strings.
I also have LKR set to lower 4 & 8 to D#, allowing me to have a play a" major triad with no pedals/levers on any of strings 34568 10, then engage the LKR and RKL lowers to get the "five" chord of that major chord. In other words, at fret 1 or 12, this changes between an E and B chord. This is part of the default GFI copedant. I prefer lowering 6 to F#/G vs. raising 7 to the G.
http://gfimusicalproducts.com/documentation.html#E9Copedent |
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Derrick Unger
From: Newark Ohio, USA
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Posted 13 Sep 2016 7:49 am basics
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Ok.. to step one..should my 1st string..the F#..be raised to a G or a G#??
Bare in mind I received this steel out of tune and never had a lever raising strings 1 and 2. so I tuned the 1st string to a G with the lever raise..it may be supposed to a G# instead.
Finally I have my 2nd string going from a D# to an E..
on that lever..Is that correct?
sorry for the repeats but I just want to make sure!! _________________ Music is good for the soul..playing it is even better! Gretsch6strLapSteel*PeaveyNashville400*HudsonSD-10*DigitechRP360*FenderChampion100*PeaveyKB300*Goodrich120*Behringerx1204*BehringerMini4*Mullen S10"Discovery"*Peavey Vegas400*Princeton112plus*SuperChampX2*SidekickReverb65*Rumble100*MarshallMG50DFX*Nashville112 |
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Lane Gray
From: Topeka, KS
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Posted 13 Sep 2016 8:15 am
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If you raise 2, raise 1 to G#. The two go together as a pair.
Is that a "correct" use of RKL? That's not the right question. It's a common use of RKL.
I prefer that change on a pedal, so as to combine it with the change I have on RKR, but a LOT of people who have that change put it on RKL. _________________ 2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
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Derrick Unger
From: Newark Ohio, USA
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Posted 13 Sep 2016 9:20 am
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Ok...got it...Thanks Lane...I'll put that 1st string to a G# _________________ Music is good for the soul..playing it is even better! Gretsch6strLapSteel*PeaveyNashville400*HudsonSD-10*DigitechRP360*FenderChampion100*PeaveyKB300*Goodrich120*Behringerx1204*BehringerMini4*Mullen S10"Discovery"*Peavey Vegas400*Princeton112plus*SuperChampX2*SidekickReverb65*Rumble100*MarshallMG50DFX*Nashville112 |
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Greg Cutshaw
From: Corry, PA, USA
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