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Jeremy Threlfall


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Post  Posted 16 Feb 2016 5:46 pm    
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Hi all.

Thinking of adding a 5th (vertical) lever. I already have LKL lowering 3&6, LKR lowering 2&9, RKL raising 4&8 and RKR lowering 4&8

The two options I can see for the vertical are (1) lowering 5&10 or raising 1&2

Would anyone venture an opinion on these two alternatives?
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Lane Gray


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Post  Posted 16 Feb 2016 5:57 pm    
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They're BOTH great. I have the B lowers on the vertical, and the 1st and 2nd string raise on a zero pedal. The B lowers are more about making high tension chords, like 9ths and minor/maj7. If you like that sort of thing, it's great. If you prefer the smooth melodic phrases, then the 1st and 2nd string raise might be better suited.
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Larry Bressington


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Post  Posted 16 Feb 2016 8:19 pm    
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I have to go for the Franklin lever (1&2) playing radio friendly Music almost mandates that move. Most of the heavy weight recording players are using the Franklin lever quite a lot.

Personally I wouldn't want that change on a vertical, it seems hard work especially when combing pedals.

What I do is this... LKR raises 1&2 and lowers 9...Vertical lowers string 6 a whole step, LKL raises E's, RKL lowers E,s, RKR lowers only string 2 with an adjustable half stop.
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Jeremy Threlfall


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Post  Posted 16 Feb 2016 9:37 pm    
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Thanks Lane, Larry

Which pedals do you find yourself combining with the 1&2 raise most often?
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Lane Gray


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Post  Posted 16 Feb 2016 10:51 pm    
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Listen to the intro of "He Didn't Have to Be," by Brad Paisley.
It starts 5th string, adds the A pedal, hits 4, then 2, then adds the pull. Melodically it works well with the other changes as well.
Here's my short video showing some uses of it, but it's on a zero pedal so I can combine it with the 2nd string drop.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XUykptG6DBQ
Also, since you're thinking of the B string drop to A#, here's two short videos on some uses for THAT.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n9aEyTaD3YA

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn1IY1E-uKU
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Jeremy Threlfall


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Post  Posted 16 Feb 2016 11:04 pm    
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Thanks Lane
Funnily enough, a straightforward google search brings up those three videos, and I have watched them all this afternoon already. Thanks, they were very helpful
I noticed you using the 1&2 raise pedal and the "A" pedal together. Its interesting that you engage the "A" first and then the 1&2 raise. I guess that would be easier to do (if the 1&2 raise were on the vertical) than raising 1&2 and then engaging the "A" pedal, because your toes would already be firmly planted on the A pedal
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Lane Gray


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Post  Posted 17 Feb 2016 6:07 am    
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I don't think I use them TOGETHER so much as in quick succession. But the only place I could put it on a lever would be as a staggered LKL or LKR.
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Larry Bressington


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Post  Posted 17 Feb 2016 6:32 am    
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I find myself using the franklin lever with either/both A pedal licks, and with also just B pedal licks, which is why I have it on the RKR...

Paul commonly does stuff like A/B pedal down, hit stings 5 and 3 then hit 1 and 2 apply and release lever and/or release pedals etc etc....it creates all kinds of beautiful tension when applied with pedal combinations, it's a fantastic lever idea I think, it's loaded, so idea's are never ending, it can raise the ears on an old basset hound.
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Jeremy Threlfall


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Post  Posted 17 Feb 2016 6:56 pm    
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Thanks again Larry

those moves would work for me if the 1&2 raise was on the vertical

especially if A and/or B were engaged first, it would be easy to then engage the vertical

it would be harder to engage the vertical and then engage A and/or B
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