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Topic: 71 Emmons Push Pull 10th String going Flat |
Rod Robichaud
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Posted 14 Sep 2015 3:33 pm |
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I have to keep retuning at the Changer end lower row of screws. Would the tuning key be bad, slipping? I am new to these wonderful guitars and this is the only issue I have. I changed the 10th string thinking I may have a bad one but that was not the problem. I would appreciate any suggestions .
Thanks!
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Justin Griffith
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Taylor, Texas, USA
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Posted 14 Sep 2015 5:36 pm
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Is the pedal note flat,the open note, or both? You might check the screw in the lower hole and make sure the Loctite hasn't worn off. It should have just a little resistance.
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Rod Robichaud
From:
New Brunswick, Canada
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Posted 14 Sep 2015 5:45 pm
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Hi Justin, thanks for the reply. Just the open note goes flat after a few minutes of playing. With the pedal depressed the 10th string is in tune.
Rod |
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chris ivey
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california (deceased)
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Posted 14 Sep 2015 5:59 pm
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only things i can think of...
a new string will stretch for a little while..
the screw that sets the changer rest position could be loose enough that it turns a little (hence the loctite issue)..
the tuning peg could slip (unusual)..
the way you wrap the string on the tuning peg could allow slipping..
don't know what else would do it.
make sure the raise bellcrank allows rod collar some slack at rest. |
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 14 Sep 2015 6:04 pm
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probably not this but make sure the roller nut turns freely.
and of course make sure the set srews on the bellcrank and the collar are tight. |
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Justin Griffith
From:
Taylor, Texas, USA
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Posted 14 Sep 2015 6:15 pm
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Chris has suggested everything I would check. If you want to check the tuning screw for slipping (which is the usual culprit), you can take a compression spring (long) and put it on the screw to keep it from drifting.
If you redo the Loctite, I'd use the red and make sure it is fully dry on the screw before you screw it back in the changer.
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Emmons/Sho~Bud/Blanton, Fender/Peavey.
Telonics pedal |
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 14 Sep 2015 6:23 pm
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I'd replace either the screw or the red goop.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
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Rod Robichaud
From:
New Brunswick, Canada
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Posted 14 Sep 2015 6:26 pm
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Thanks Chris and Justin. The set screw at the changer does turn rather easily suggesting it may be a little loose. I am thinking the spring or loctite may be the answer. I will try this tomorrow . You guys have been very helpful.
Thanks!
Rod |
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Rod Robichaud
From:
New Brunswick, Canada
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Posted 14 Sep 2015 6:31 pm
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Thanks Lane, I will try that tomorrow. Going to gig this
Instead of my LG III this weekend. Love the tone and playability of this guitar.
Thanks guys!
Rod |
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Justin Griffith
From:
Taylor, Texas, USA
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Posted 14 Sep 2015 6:32 pm
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You're welcome. Let us know how it turns out. I cannot stress how important it is to let the Loctite dry COMPLETELY before you put the screw back in (i'm not all all questioning your abilites).
I worked on one with the screws all Loctited in and it was a nightmare!
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Rod Robichaud
From:
New Brunswick, Canada
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Posted 14 Sep 2015 6:47 pm
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Thanks Justin. I will let you guys know how it turns out.
Thanks
Rod |
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 14 Sep 2015 10:03 pm
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just to keep from making a mess at first you might experiment with the spring first...or even a tiny bit of plumbers tape.
that would determine that the screw was for sure the problem and not something else.
hope it's that simple. |
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Rod Robichaud
From:
New Brunswick, Canada
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Posted 15 Sep 2015 8:38 am
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Hey ,you guys were right about the lower set screw. I tried a little plumbers tape on the screw and played it for 45 minutes without the 10th going flat.
Will probably get some Loctite at some point . probably not red, I think I might try blue or one that is not as strong in case I need to do a slight adjustment at some point.
Justin,Chris,Lane ,Thank you so much for helping me with this issue. I look forward to learning more about this Classic guitar.
Many Thanks from Canada!
Rod |
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Philip Mitrakos
From:
The Beach South East Florida
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Posted 15 Sep 2015 1:36 pm
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The red is just for high heat temp. Aplications more for lock and leave it ...
Blue is for no high temp and able to turn or remove the bolt if needed ...
But I do know the PP's where using red way back then |
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Tony Glassman
From:
The Great Northwest
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Posted 15 Sep 2015 2:20 pm
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The OEM Emmons tuning screws did not use Loc-tite (red or blue). They used special Nylok screws with a nylon insert.
Loc-tite ( as I was schooled), will not set up on separate parts. The screw must be inserted into threads to form an anaerobic environment required for curing. |
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Philip Mitrakos
From:
The Beach South East Florida
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Posted 15 Sep 2015 3:25 pm
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Guess I shoulda said ....
Dont know if that red stuff was even loctite ..
Way back then ...probably not
Who knows if this might work...
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 15 Sep 2015 3:26 pm
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| just leave the plumbers tape on it! |
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Rod Robichaud
From:
New Brunswick, Canada
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Posted 15 Sep 2015 3:49 pm
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Thanks for the replys Tony, Philip. I think for now I will carry some plumbers tape as long as it works. Thanks again Chris.
Still on tune.
Rod |
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Tony Glassman
From:
The Great Northwest
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Posted 15 Sep 2015 4:05 pm
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Rob, I probably have an old Nylok screw or two layin' around somewhere because I replaced 'em all on my last couple of P/P rebuilds. Send me your address, and I'll send you a few.
Also Chris and Phillip are right about the springs. Emmons used those before they started using Nylok screws. The springs keep the screws fairly tight against the changer finger threads. You can buy ones that will work at any Ace Hardware or Lowes. Just cut'em to size. |
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Rod Robichaud
From:
New Brunswick, Canada
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Posted 15 Sep 2015 4:13 pm
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Thanks Tony that would be great. I will send you a pm. The spring s look like they would work as well.
Thanks
Rod |
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mike nolan
From:
Forest Hills, NY USA
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Posted 15 Sep 2015 9:05 pm
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| I have springs on all my PP guitars.... works great. Tommy Cass showed me that trick. |
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