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Topic: Push/Pull or new guitar... Advice appreciated |
Tom Quinn
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Posted 16 Apr 2015 11:15 am |
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I have some cash to get a pedal steel. I played Emmons and Professionals when I played for money.
I know the push-pulls are now considered antiques by many but I know zip about new guitars. I'm happy with an 8/5.
If you were going to get back to pedal steel and were an Emmons player back in the day would you stick with what you know or go for a newer style guitar? I fully intend to make $$$ with it.
Comments sincerely appreciated except maybe from Chris... ;- )
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Mike Wheeler
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Posted 16 Apr 2015 11:47 am
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I think I would try to get to a few pedal steel jams and ask to try out the ones that catch my fancy. Also I'd try to visit at least one pedal steel store for the same purpose. A steel, being a substantial investment, needs research to make a good purchase.
What works for me might not work for you....so many factors to consider, ya know?
Best of luck finding the right guitar.
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Tom Quinn
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Posted 16 Apr 2015 12:19 pm
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Thanks Mike. No steel stores anywhere within 500 miles from here and I don't know of any jams unless C.I. leaves his door unlocked... ;- ) C&W and etc is dead as a doornail in the Sacramento region.
Seems like a lot of folks play Zum and Mullen guitars. I love the look of the old Black push-pulls and the long pedal throw is also a plus.
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Paul Sutherland
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Placerville, California
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Posted 16 Apr 2015 12:29 pm
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Tom: I'll be playing my Emmons D-10 PP on Saturday, 4-28 at the Roseville Opera House with the Chad Bushnell Band. They play a significant amount of older traditional country. I get lots of solo time. You're welcome to try my steel on the breaks, although the dance music will be going full blast. Be forewarned, my steel is set up pretty unorthodox.
Also: The first Sunday afternoon of every month you could check out the Western Swing Society gathering at the Machinist Hall in Rancho Cordova. There is always at least one PSG player, Brownie from the Dry Creek Band, and sometimes more. I haven't been going recently, but it's worth checking out. They have a jam room where anyone can bring their instrument and play. Brownie plays an older (70s?) single neck Sho Bud with an unusual tuning.
How could I forget: You might want to check out Buck Ford and the Pure Country Band. They play nothing but traditional country, and they have some real good players including Stever French on tele, Ronnie Elkan on fiddle & mando, and John Gudgel on pedal steel. John is a very good steel player. John plays a D10 Sho Bud, looks like an 80s vintage.
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Bob Hoffnar
From:
Austin, Tx
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Posted 16 Apr 2015 12:43 pm
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Sounds like you want an Emmons to me.
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Marco Schouten
From:
Amsterdam, The Netherlands
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Posted 16 Apr 2015 12:54 pm
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How about a new Promat?
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Zoran Kosir
From:
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Posted 16 Apr 2015 1:37 pm
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Hi. You shoud check it out Promat web site. I have two wonderful Promat guitars with nice tone and sustain...
http://www.promat-steel-guitars.com/
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Hamilton Barnard
From:
Oro Valley, Arizona (deceased)
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Posted 16 Apr 2015 2:42 pm Re: Push/Pull or new guitar... Advice appreciated
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| Tom Quinn wrote: |
| If you were going to get back to pedal steel and were an Emmons player back in the day would you stick with what you know or go for a newer style guitar? I fully intend to make $$$ with it. |
I was away from steel guitar for 15 years, just got back to playing. Had three push-pulls back in the day, sold two but kept the '68 D10.
When I started playing again I kept eyeing the new guitars since the push-pull has quite a bit of wear on it. So I ordered a new Mullen SD10 RP. Liked it so much I ordered a new D10 G2. Now I don't even look at the old Emmons.  |
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Jim Park
From:
Carson City, Nv
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Posted 16 Apr 2015 2:50 pm Push pull or new guitar
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| I had to chime in here...... Jim Palenscar's shop in Oceanside is 468 miles from you .........you really oughta take a trip, he has lots of steels in stock. I have a Fessenden D 10 and an Emmons LeGrande D 10 (82 SKH) you are welcome to play. I have to echo Hamilton... I played a PP for many years, but am over them, and the LeGrande plays and sounds as good as any guitar I have ever played. The Fessy is a very close second...... |
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Lane Gray
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Posted 16 Apr 2015 5:44 pm
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Or a new push-pull from Mike Cass?
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Nick Reed
From:
Russellville, KY USA
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Herb Steiner
From:
Spicewood TX 78669
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Posted 17 Apr 2015 6:30 am
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I'd estimate about 500 miles, Nick.
California's like Texas in that respect... big.
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Jerry Roller
From:
Van Buren, Arkansas USA
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Posted 17 Apr 2015 8:43 am
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By all means contact Jim in Oceanside. He is a great guy to deal with and knows his business.
Jerry
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Dave Grafe
From:
Hudson River Valley NY
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Posted 21 Apr 2015 7:22 am
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| Some of the new guitars play like precision butter, but nothing plays like a push-pull except a push-pull. |
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Larry Waisner
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Posted 22 Apr 2015 2:55 am
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Tommy I have to reverberate what others are saying.
It would be so worth the trip to Steel Guitars of North County. A night in a nice hotel and a good meal will give you an experience of a life time.
Kind Regards,
Larry |
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Charlie McDonald
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Posted 22 Apr 2015 3:01 pm
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You must go to North Country; you will find a steel.
Just minutes down Mission you'll see this:
Life's too short to miss it. Anywhere else is too far.
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 22 Apr 2015 8:14 pm
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| not north country, charlie. north county!! |
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Mike Perlowin
From:
Los Angeles CA
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Posted 22 Apr 2015 11:51 pm
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I agree. You should visit Jim's shop. But call before you drive the 500 miles and make sure he's there. He sometimes goes on trips to other states.
Also, while you're in Southern California you should visit Blackie Taylor's shop, which is still open and still selling steels. Blackie is a GFI dealer, and also has a few used steel in stock.
Getting back to the subject, we all agree, nothing sounds like a push pull. But push pulls don't to tuned splits. Only all pull guitars can do that.
Some people don't care about that. Some do. I have 3 splits on my guitar, and I use them so often that I'd feel handicapped without them. I would not have a push pull for that reason no matter how good they sound.
It's something to consider.
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Charlie McDonald
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Posted 23 Apr 2015 1:56 am
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And when you get there, Chris, keep driving.
With apologies to Tom Quinn and Jim at North County.
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Tom Quinn
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Posted 23 Apr 2015 3:59 am
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I have a black 70-ish 8X6 push pull coming to my house next week. It's perfect for me and it has a bit of history. I'll tell you more later. And thanks guys for the input.
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