Advise needed on MSA steel for sale

Billy Carr · From: Seminary, Mississippi, USA (deceased)

My first MSA was a D-10, Classic SS I purchased from Herb Remington's Steel Parlor. Burgundy with silkscreened logo, fretboards, etc. Pickups were MSA Supersustain on both necks. 8 & 4. I went from a Emmons P/P, D-10 to the MSA. This was around 81' or 82' sometime. Never did get the sound I wanted from the MSA. Guess I was used to the p/p sound. I do imagine the MSA in question would be a good guitar and sound even better with a 705, 710, 10-1 or even a Tonealigner. Good luck.

Tony Prior · From: Charlotte NC

you never said how many peds/knees...or showed any photo's, especially the underside.

It's more than likely an excellent deal but still..seeing what you are getting is worthy...

I recently rebuilt two older MSA's, both were fine axes but not without some issues that had to be resolved. Both needed the changers to be fully removed and cleaned as well.

That being said the old MSA's are excellent but the key word is OLD..so do not be alarmed if it needs some TLC.

I would grab it if it was in front of me... Exclamation

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Henry Matthews · From: Texarkana, Ark USA

I've got one, they are great sounding guitars and even though they are super short, they are still heavy and well built.

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Nashville 112 amp, Fishman Loudbox Performer amp, Hilton pedal, Goodrich pedal,BJS bar, Kyser picks, Live steel Strings. No effects, doodads or stomp boxes.

Tommy Mc · From: Middlesex VT

So just out of curiosity....if "SS" is Super Short, what does the XL stand for on my Vintage XL? Extra Long?

Lane Gray · From: Topeka, KS

I thought I read somewhere that it stood for "eXtra Light."
You could ask Kyle.
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Lee Dassow · From: Jefferson, Georgia USA

Well he slept on it. I wonder if he bought it? Tenn. Lee
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Larry Henson · From: Texas, USA

Shazamm!! Henry, that is one fine looking guitar...
would sure love to own it......
Larry Smile

J R Rose · From: Keota, Oklahoma, USA

Excuse me Henry if I am outa line with this post but I think the forum members should know that this a recent refinish by you that is fantastic. Your work is out standing. You did a beautiful job on it and it is a beautiful guitar. J.R.

Tom Gorr · From: Three Hills, Alberta

So how short were they?

I really doubt they were actually super short, probably no different than an emmons skh.

Most of the MSA classics and vintage models seemed to use a standardized six a side keyhead but only drilled out for five a side on the 10 string models, so, really...most msa's were longer than 'usual'.

Lane Gray · From: Topeka, KS

The keys are tighter on the SS, you can see in the pic.
The keyhead is still 6 on a side with only 5 steps drilled.
It looks like less freeboard between keyhead and endplate.
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David Wright · From: Pilot Point ,Tx USA.

Fact...SS = Super Small... Very Happy

Great guitars, as is the Classics..

Henry Matthews · From: Texarkana, Ark USA

Bill C. Buntin · Posted 15 Oct 2014 5:59 pm

Brian, did you get it?

Brian Scott · From: Florida, USA

Thanks for all the great advice!
I can see this forum will be a great place for my new foray into pedal steel.
I talked to seller tonight and will be picking it up tomorrow. I had been watching some entry level guitars on ebay but for a little bit more, I found, (thanks to you all), I can get a much better quality.
BTW the guitar has 3 floor pedals and 4 knee levers.
Seems like it is very smooth mechanically and does not show much wear at all.
Any recommendation on learning resources for a novice?

Lane Gray · From: Topeka, KS

1: The Winnie Winston/Bill Keith book (B0b sells it if you click on the link marked "instruction" up top, or click this URL: www.steelguitarshopper.com/products/Pedal-Steel-Guitar-by-Winnie-Winston-and-Bill-Keith.html
2: Also on the instruction page, the 3 songs from Buddy Emmons.
3: See #1

And it will take a while to move the bar while adding pedals at the same time. Many of those frustrating drills are pretty important.

Excellent move.
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Bill C. Buntin · Posted 17 Oct 2014 5:41 pm

I second what Zane says get the Winnie Winston book. I would add the Dewitt Scott anthology.

Excellent move for certain

Mike Perlowin · From: Los Angeles CA

Winnie's book is the Bible for beginners. Many of us, including me, learned to play from it.

Also recommended is all of Jeff Newman's material. There are also some excellent other courses out there.
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Lane Gray · From: Topeka, KS

Mike, it's not only good for beginners, I noticed some bits I'd ignored or glossed over. It doesn't hurt to look at it again years later.
PS: Zane's last name is King. Gray's middle name is Lane (have never used my first).
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More amps than guitars, and not many effects

Mike Perlowin · From: Los Angeles CA

Mike Perlowin · From: Los Angeles CA

Lane Gray · From: Topeka, KS

I was born/Christened Christopher Lane Gray.
Lane Massey was my dad's favorite uncle, and I got his name, and he died shortly before I was born.
Shortly after I was born, dad started regretting the order of the names, and several questions of "so is Chris a boy or girl?" on a camping trip, on July 18, 1964 (age 8 months 7 days-before I learned to identify with a name) they decided I'd be known as Lane.
So my real name is Lane and the Gummint calls me Christopher.

PS: excellent score. All you need is a bar, some picks, two cables and a volume pedal.
Hint for getting a good tone from the amp, use the following settings as a starting point:
Volume: 3
Bass: about 8 or 9
Middle: around 3 Â½
Shift: around 6Â½
High (or do they call it treble?) 4
Presence: 4
Reverb: 3
Speed and intensity: 0 (except when playing hippie rock: it's a good tremolo, but not much use for it)

"Shift" adjusts the frequency on which the midrange knob works.
"Presence" is like ultra-treble, it works on a higher band of frequency than the treble knob.
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Lee Dassow · From: Jefferson, Georgia USA

Why cant I find those deals? Not to change the subject, But anyone in florida, maybe Jack Stoners neck of the woods. Might be interested in this in the Citrus county chronicle ad. MSA classic D-10 8&4,and Peavey session 500 for $1500.00, I think the no. is 352-637-1883. Not a bad price for both. any body living locally and wanting to check it out. Wouldn't be good for Jack though,I know he aint into heavy. Tenn. Lee
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Lane Gray · From: Topeka, KS

A hundred pounds in each hand!!
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More amps than guitars, and not many effects

Walter Bowden · From: Wilmington, North Carolina, USA

Hi Brian. I agree w/all the others I think you hit a home run on this deal. Now the fun and frustration starts.

I was lucky enough to attend one of Jeff Newman's week long steel guitar instruction courses shortly after buying my first steel. I had tried using "mail order" courses and had learned some very basic things but wasn't good enough to use it in my band live.

I had played lead/rhythm guitar for years and it helped some but when I got to the Jeffran School, Jeff immediately pointed out some basic "bad habits" I was starting to develop (and other players too) and provided us with correct basic playing techniques before the "bad habits" had a chance to develop.

If you can find a good steel guitar teacher in your area I would recommend you see them while you are beginning to learn.

This forum has helped me so much with advice and links to instructional people and methods so mark SGF on your Favorites list and like the kid carrying a violin case in New York City and gets lost and asks a cop how to get to Carnegie Hall, the cop says;

"Practice, practice, practice." Best wishes and post some pics of your MSA when you get a chance. Walter
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