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Topic: hex tuner nuts material question |
Andras Dancsak
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Europe, Hungary
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Posted 27 Aug 2014 7:50 am |
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My steeler friends, steel guitar builders!
Maybe you can help me. I have a technical question about steel guitar building. Me and my steel guitarist friend are trying to find an answer, why are they making the pedal tuner nuts out of nylon or plastic. Why don't use the luthiers aluminum or other metal material for that? Would be much more durable, or not? What is the reason of that?
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 27 Aug 2014 8:23 am
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Nylon. Nylon gives a tighter grip than I would think metal nuts would give. Tried metal "standoffs" on a Super-Pro I semi-rebuilt. The metal ones were just to loose. Maybe some teflon tape on the threads would make metal nuts hold tighter.
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Jason Putnam
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Tennessee, USA
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Posted 27 Aug 2014 8:30 am
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They could make them like a locking nut. Metal on the outside shell with nylon for threads. That would seem to be the best of both worlds. But I'm no parts maker so who knows how you could do it.
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 27 Aug 2014 9:06 am
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Yes they could make them like that, and there are locking nuts made like that. But I don't think I have seen them in a 3/16" hex. It would cost a fortune to have them made up in a small quantity. I don't understand the need to go to metal tuners. We have been using the nylon nuts for a million years now. They do need to be replaced periodically. In 43 years, I think I have HAD to replace maybe 3 or 4.
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John Scanlon
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Jackson, Mississippi, USA
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Richard Sinkler
From:
aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 27 Aug 2014 11:59 am
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I think you may be right. None of the MSA's I have ever gotten close to had them that I can remember. But I may be wrong on that too. Been a long time since I have seen an MSA up close.
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John Scanlon
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Jackson, Mississippi, USA
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John Scanlon
From:
Jackson, Mississippi, USA
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Donny Hinson
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Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 27 Aug 2014 1:43 pm
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Nylon is, by far, the best material! It's light, cheap, wears quite well, doesn't require lubrication, is rust and corrosion free, and it acts as it's own locking device. Come to think of it, there's really no good reason to have them encased in metal, or made from metal. Not even one.  |
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Jack Stoner
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Kansas City, MO
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Posted 28 Aug 2014 2:35 am
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I've seen one guitar (don't remember the brand) that had the nylon tuning nut, a short nylon tuning nut, then a metal spacer between the nylon tuning nut and the changer finger.
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 28 Aug 2014 2:49 am
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MSA.
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Jim Bob Sedgwick
From:
Clinton, Missouri USA
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Posted 28 Aug 2014 4:52 am
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For the newer players... The nylon tuners will eventually become looser with time. Teflon tape will tighten them up very nicely and save you the cost of replacement.
Take the tuner off the changer rod and place one turn of Teflon tape on the rod, replace the nylon tuner. Don't use more than one turn or you won't be able to replace the nylon tuner. Just a tip. |
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