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Topic: Clamping a Resonator Guitar on Top of a Pedal Steel |
Mike Perlowin
From: Los Angeles CA
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Posted 3 Aug 2014 10:43 am
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Alan, of course a Peizo will work on your "reso-caster." (Beautiful work BTW) The problem.as Lane pointed out, is that they pick up the mechanical noise of the pedals.
I think the Franklin Pedabro only used a magnetic pickup. _________________ Please visit my web site and Soundcloud page and listen to the music posted there.
http://www.mikeperlowin.com http://soundcloud.com/mike-perlowin |
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Alan Brookes
From: Brummy living in Southern California
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Posted 3 Aug 2014 10:46 am
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I expected it to pick up bar noise and pick noise as you described, but I haven't found that. If the original Pedabro used a magnetic pickup I'm surprised it sounded any different from a regular pedal steel. |
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Lane Gray
From: Topeka, KS
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Posted 3 Aug 2014 10:56 am
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If it had a pickup, it was on the spider. Putting a mag pickup on a Dobro yields a tone between a lap steel and a sax. _________________ 2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
More amps than guitars, and not many effects |
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Mike Perlowin
From: Los Angeles CA
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Posted 3 Aug 2014 11:52 am
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Alan Brookes wrote: |
I expected it to pick up bar noise and pick noise |
No,it picked up the noise of the pedals being depressed. Every time I'd step on one, there would be a horrible clank or crunch sound coming through the amp. _________________ Please visit my web site and Soundcloud page and listen to the music posted there.
http://www.mikeperlowin.com http://soundcloud.com/mike-perlowin |
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Alan Brookes
From: Brummy living in Southern California
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Posted 3 Aug 2014 3:22 pm
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I would think that that sound could be muffled with dampers and by making the pedals silent. In my plans I was working on the use of cables within tubes, and there would be no cranks.
Lane Gray wrote: |
If it had a pickup, it was on the spider. Putting a mag pickup on a Dobro yields a tone between a lap steel and a sax. |
Here's a resonator guitar that I bought a few years back. It has a round neck and I put a nut riser on it so that I could play it with a tone bar. It has both a regular magnetic pickup and a piezzo pick up, and controls so that you can mix the two. Using just the piezzo pickup it sounds like a resonator, except that this particular model doesn't have a very deep body, so it has a thinner tone than a Dobro. Using just the magnetic pickup it sounds exactly as you describe.
I don't use it much. It looked like a good idea at the time. When I have to move into a smaller house with less space in the near future and need to thin out my instrument collection, this will be one of the first to go. |
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b0b
From: Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 4 Aug 2014 5:35 pm Re: Peizos and pedals don't mix.
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Alan Brookes wrote: |
Check out this thread where I converted a regular 8-string guitar to a resonator guitar. |
Regular guitars don't have 8 strings! _________________ -𝕓𝕆𝕓- (admin) - Robert P. Lee - Recordings - Breathe - D6th - Video |
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Alan Brookes
From: Brummy living in Southern California
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Posted 5 Aug 2014 9:14 am
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This one did. That's why I chose it for the conversion. |
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b0b
From: Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 5 Aug 2014 9:23 am
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I did a Google search for 8-string acoustic guitars and all I could find were very high-end instruments in the $2K+ range. If you ever see another cheap 7- or 8-stringer, let me know. _________________ -𝕓𝕆𝕓- (admin) - Robert P. Lee - Recordings - Breathe - D6th - Video |
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Mike Perlowin
From: Los Angeles CA
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Posted 5 Aug 2014 9:28 am
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Does the Sho-Pro with the cat can on the back neck have pedals for that neck? And how is it amplified?
How is the Jackson guitar amplified? _________________ Please visit my web site and Soundcloud page and listen to the music posted there.
http://www.mikeperlowin.com http://soundcloud.com/mike-perlowin |
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Alan Brookes
From: Brummy living in Southern California
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Posted 5 Aug 2014 3:13 pm
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b0b wrote: |
...If you ever see another cheap 7- or 8-stringer, let me know. |
Is that just an acoustic guitar you're looking for, or are you also looking at solid electrics? |
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Mike Perlowin
From: Los Angeles CA
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b0b
From: Cloverdale, CA, USA
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David Nugent
From: Gum Spring, Va.
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Posted 7 Aug 2014 4:46 am
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In response to Mike P's question, yes they do. The Show Pro comes standard with 6&6 and according to the site,"simulates a pedal Dobro". |
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Mike Perlowin
From: Los Angeles CA
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Tony Dingus
From: Kingsport, Tennessee, USA
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Alan Brookes
From: Brummy living in Southern California
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Posted 9 Aug 2014 10:02 am
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It must be possible to make a silent mechanism. I think the reason no-one has so far felt the necessity is because everyone playing pedal steel is using a pickup, so none of the noises comes out of the amplifier. I've been switching off the amplifier and listening to the sounds produced when I push the pedals of a regular PSG. They're mainly:-
[1] Toruching the feet on the pedals. This could be dampened by fitting rubber covers to the pedals. In fact I've often wondered why this isn't done as a matter of course. After all, you never see automobile throttle, brake and clutch pedals in bare metal.
[2] Slack in the pedal rods and other joints. The way the pedal rods are just hooked over the cranks means that when you push a pedal the first thing that happens is that the rod hits the crank, then the crank takes up the slack and the rod hits the mechanism. This happens in a split second, but it's enough to make noise. More accurate joints would seem to be the answer.
[3] Squeaking of the joints and mechanism. The answer is probably grease.
[4] The sound of the smooth bar running along wound strings. I don't know how best to overcome this. Tapewound strings might help, but they're not known for good tone. I've noticed that ceramic tone bars, such as the Tribotone, make less noise. |
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Mark Aaron
From: Tennessee, USA
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Posted 15 Aug 2014 3:48 am Jackson link show-bro pedal slideking
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If you haven't already seen this, check it out: http://youtu.be/rNQusOIzZxo |
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Alan Brookes
From: Brummy living in Southern California
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Posted 15 Aug 2014 9:50 am
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I didn't hear any mechanical noise in Zane's video. |
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Mike Perlowin
From: Los Angeles CA
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Posted 15 Aug 2014 11:51 am
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Alan Brookes wrote: |
I didn't hear any mechanical noise in Zane's video. |
I was talking about problems with Peizos. Zane's pedal dobro was miked. _________________ Please visit my web site and Soundcloud page and listen to the music posted there.
http://www.mikeperlowin.com http://soundcloud.com/mike-perlowin |
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Mark Aaron
From: Tennessee, USA
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Posted 15 Aug 2014 4:06 pm
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Anyone have experience with the national slimline pickup? No direct experience, but a few folks have told me it does a pretty good job of catching the dobro sound. It is not mounted internally or on top of the cone. Also, I believe it is passive, so a lot of the feedback problems with active pickups and tone might be avoided. No idea if it sounds anything close to an active pickup or actual mic on a dobro.
http://store.nationalguitars.com/nationallacepickup.aspx
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