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Mike Perlowin


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Post  Posted 3 Aug 2014 10:43 am    
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Alan, of course a Peizo will work on your "reso-caster." (Beautiful work BTW) The problem.as Lane pointed out, is that they pick up the mechanical noise of the pedals.

I think the Franklin Pedabro only used a magnetic pickup.
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Alan Brookes


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Post  Posted 3 Aug 2014 10:46 am    
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I expected it to pick up bar noise and pick noise as you described, but I haven't found that. If the original Pedabro used a magnetic pickup I'm surprised it sounded any different from a regular pedal steel.
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Lane Gray


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Post  Posted 3 Aug 2014 10:56 am    
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If it had a pickup, it was on the spider. Putting a mag pickup on a Dobro yields a tone between a lap steel and a sax.
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Mike Perlowin


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Post  Posted 3 Aug 2014 11:52 am    
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Alan Brookes wrote:
I expected it to pick up bar noise and pick noise


No,it picked up the noise of the pedals being depressed. Every time I'd step on one, there would be a horrible clank or crunch sound coming through the amp.
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Alan Brookes


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Post  Posted 3 Aug 2014 3:22 pm    
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I would think that that sound could be muffled with dampers and by making the pedals silent. In my plans I was working on the use of cables within tubes, and there would be no cranks.


Lane Gray wrote:
If it had a pickup, it was on the spider. Putting a mag pickup on a Dobro yields a tone between a lap steel and a sax.
Here's a resonator guitar that I bought a few years back. It has a round neck and I put a nut riser on it so that I could play it with a tone bar. It has both a regular magnetic pickup and a piezzo pick up, and controls so that you can mix the two. Using just the piezzo pickup it sounds like a resonator, except that this particular model doesn't have a very deep body, so it has a thinner tone than a Dobro. Using just the magnetic pickup it sounds exactly as you describe.

I don't use it much. It looked like a good idea at the time. When I have to move into a smaller house with less space in the near future and need to thin out my instrument collection, this will be one of the first to go.
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b0b


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Post  Posted 4 Aug 2014 5:35 pm     Re: Peizos and pedals don't mix.
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Alan Brookes wrote:
Check out this thread where I converted a regular 8-string guitar to a resonator guitar.

Whoa! Regular guitars don't have 8 strings!
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Alan Brookes


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Post  Posted 5 Aug 2014 9:14 am    
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This one did. That's why I chose it for the conversion.
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b0b


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Post  Posted 5 Aug 2014 9:23 am    
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I did a Google search for 8-string acoustic guitars and all I could find were very high-end instruments in the $2K+ range. Sad If you ever see another cheap 7- or 8-stringer, let me know.
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Mike Perlowin


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Post  Posted 5 Aug 2014 9:28 am    
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Does the Sho-Pro with the cat can on the back neck have pedals for that neck? And how is it amplified?

How is the Jackson guitar amplified?
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Alan Brookes


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Post  Posted 5 Aug 2014 3:13 pm    
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b0b wrote:
...If you ever see another cheap 7- or 8-stringer, let me know.
Is that just an acoustic guitar you're looking for, or are you also looking at solid electrics?
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Mike Perlowin


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Post  Posted 5 Aug 2014 8:51 pm    
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I have a 7 string electric I'd like to sell.
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Post  Posted 5 Aug 2014 9:24 pm    
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I have very little interest in electric guitars. Sorry for derailing the topic.
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David Nugent

 

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Post  Posted 7 Aug 2014 4:46 am    
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In response to Mike P's question, yes they do. The Show Pro comes standard with 6&6 and according to the site,"simulates a pedal Dobro".
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Mike Perlowin


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Post  Posted 7 Aug 2014 8:04 am    
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Thanks David.
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Tony Dingus

 

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Post  Posted 9 Aug 2014 7:40 am    
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Looks like Paul has a mic on the cover plate of his pedabro with Dire Straits at the 1:45 mark of this youtube.

Tony

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-JlITlXHsk
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Alan Brookes


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Post  Posted 9 Aug 2014 10:02 am    
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It must be possible to make a silent mechanism. I think the reason no-one has so far felt the necessity is because everyone playing pedal steel is using a pickup, so none of the noises comes out of the amplifier. I've been switching off the amplifier and listening to the sounds produced when I push the pedals of a regular PSG. They're mainly:-
[1] Toruching the feet on the pedals. This could be dampened by fitting rubber covers to the pedals. In fact I've often wondered why this isn't done as a matter of course. After all, you never see automobile throttle, brake and clutch pedals in bare metal.
[2] Slack in the pedal rods and other joints. The way the pedal rods are just hooked over the cranks means that when you push a pedal the first thing that happens is that the rod hits the crank, then the crank takes up the slack and the rod hits the mechanism. This happens in a split second, but it's enough to make noise. More accurate joints would seem to be the answer.
[3] Squeaking of the joints and mechanism. The answer is probably grease.
[4] The sound of the smooth bar running along wound strings. I don't know how best to overcome this. Tapewound strings might help, but they're not known for good tone. I've noticed that ceramic tone bars, such as the Tribotone, make less noise.
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Mark Aaron

 

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Post  Posted 15 Aug 2014 3:48 am     Jackson link show-bro pedal slideking
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If you haven't already seen this, check it out: http://youtu.be/rNQusOIzZxo
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Alan Brookes


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Post  Posted 15 Aug 2014 9:50 am    
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I didn't hear any mechanical noise in Zane's video.
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Mike Perlowin


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Post  Posted 15 Aug 2014 11:51 am    
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Alan Brookes wrote:
I didn't hear any mechanical noise in Zane's video.


I was talking about problems with Peizos. Zane's pedal dobro was miked.
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Mark Aaron

 

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Post  Posted 15 Aug 2014 4:06 pm    
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Anyone have experience with the national slimline pickup? No direct experience, but a few folks have told me it does a pretty good job of catching the dobro sound. It is not mounted internally or on top of the cone. Also, I believe it is passive, so a lot of the feedback problems with active pickups and tone might be avoided. No idea if it sounds anything close to an active pickup or actual mic on a dobro.
http://store.nationalguitars.com/nationallacepickup.aspx
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