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Topic: Zum ACS changer |
Dean Holman
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Posted 17 Nov 2013 2:32 pm |
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Dean Holman
From:
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Posted 17 Nov 2013 2:49 pm
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Willie Sims
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PADUCAH, KY, USA
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Posted 17 Nov 2013 3:13 pm
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Jim palnscar said the compensator would be the logical way to go on the cabbnit drop. In my opinion, he is right, I had a post a way back a bout my Emmons Lashley, Legrand, I got from Bruce Bouton that had a compensator onthe six string to keep it from going flat. When I let off the B pedal.
It works so well. I put the compensators on the four and eight strings, all you have to do is tunethe nylon nuts to 440 with a and B pedals down, and that takes care of your four and eight strings drop.
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Dean Holman
From:
Branson MO
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Posted 17 Nov 2013 3:35 pm
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CrowBear Schmitt
From:
Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France
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Posted 17 Nov 2013 3:50 pm
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Hey Memphis, i did'nt mess around adjusting mine
( i'm too busy fiddlin' wit mah Junior.... lol )
it's still the way Mr Z installed it - i got the guitar new from him
i agree w: what has been mentioned, i don't think we hear 5 cents or below
i'll also agree w: learning/knowing just how to play in tune |
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Jerry Jones
From:
Franklin, Tenn.
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Posted 17 Nov 2013 4:09 pm
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Zum D-10 w/ACS high E - 1.5 cents
Zum Hybrid SD-10 high E - 3.0 cents
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 17 Nov 2013 6:47 pm
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| looking at the zum site it does seem that the acs system comes on everything but the hybrid. that's fine with me. seems to have less complications than the emmons counterforce, too. i won't be able to afford another new zum til 2032.(every 50 years) |
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memphislim
From:
Austin, Texas
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Posted 18 Nov 2013 6:50 am
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Dean, I'm not talking about different measurements other than cents of cab drop. I'm talking about more people measuring their guitars so we can get an idea of the variance. It looks as though some results are coming in, thanks guys.
Jerry you are the perfect guy for this thread as it appears you have both guitars mentioned. Is the 1.5 cents on the ACS guitar the least drop you could attain after adjustment of the ACS set screws or just the way it was since owning, similar to CrowBear? |
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Jerry Jones
From:
Franklin, Tenn.
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Posted 18 Nov 2013 7:34 am
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I've not concerned myself with adjusting my ACS. For me, the fact that I have 1.5 or even 3.0 cents cabinet drop (axle flex) gets washed over by the other challenges of playing in Just Temperament. Most great players I know just seem to "will" their guitars to play in tune. 
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jay thompson
From:
east peoria, il USA
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Posted 18 Nov 2013 5:06 pm Zum ACS changer
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Can't believe this horse hasn't died by now.
Jay Thompson |
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Lyle Clary
From:
Decatur, Illinois, KC9VCB
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Posted 18 Nov 2013 6:20 pm
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ACS on my Zum. I had always thought that it was an extra part lying around that Bruce thought would look good on the E9th neck to differentiate from other brands of steels. Just kidding Bruce.
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2006 Zum D10 8x8,1969 ZB Custom D10,
10 3x4 Peavey Nashville 112 Peavey LTD 400 2014 Zum Encore Wood Grain 4x5 Stage One pot pedal |
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Dean Holman
From:
Branson MO
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Posted 18 Nov 2013 10:25 pm
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 19 Nov 2013 9:56 am
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| thanks for the help. |
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memphislim
From:
Austin, Texas
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Posted 20 Apr 2014 7:45 am
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Well I have some more results to add to this. I just took possesion of this beauty:
http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=263458&highlight=zum
I am very pleased to say that it has zero cabinet drop. It does have the ACS on it. I did not do any adjustments that's just the way it arrived. Even after adjusting the pulls to better suit me (faster on some) it remains drop-free.
How much drop is reduced by the ACS and how much is inherent in the design of the guitar I'm not sure. I guess I could back off the ACS screws to figure it out but don't want to mess with it right now.
Now if someone will sell me a Hybrid I can add those results here too! |
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Marvin Born
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 20 Apr 2014 2:21 pm
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Zum D10 New style ACS Zero from factory
Zum D10 old style ACS Adjusted to Zero
Zum D10 Hybrid 2 cents
Zum SD10 ( Older about 1995) 3 cents |
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Bobby Boggs
From:
Upstate SC.
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Posted 20 Apr 2014 8:42 pm
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Fellows string six is the worst offender on any brand guitar I've played. I was under the impression, ( Maybe wrongfully so.) that the cabinet drop on string 6. When the C pedal is depressed, (also the A pedal and F knee lever.) Is the main reason Bruce designed the ACS.
He expressed to me he much preferred the ACS method to temperament compensators.
Having never played a Zum with ACS. I can offer no opinion. However, I am curious as to how much a properly adjusted ACS changer effects the cabinet drop of string 6. |
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memphislim
From:
Austin, Texas
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Posted 21 Apr 2014 8:15 pm
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| Bobby, my ACS shows no drop on string 6 with the A pedal and F lever engaged but there is 5 cents with BC down. |
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Marvin Born
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 22 Apr 2014 11:52 am
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Bobby,
My ACS D10 has 1 to 2 cents on string 6 with pedals A and C pressed. None with A and F.
The Hybrid has none with same pedal combos.
I didn't try the Zum with the older ACS system
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Paddy Long
From:
Christchurch, New Zealand
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Posted 22 Apr 2014 4:06 pm
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I have two Zum Hybrid D10's and neither of them has more than 1 cent of cabinet drop.
Note: the Hybrid changer is not fitted with the ACS.
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14'Zumsteel Hybrid D10 9+9
08'Zumsteel Hybrid D10 9+9
94' Franklin Stereo D10 9+8
Telonics, Peterson, Steelers Choice, Benado, Lexicon, Red Dirt Cases. |
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 22 Apr 2014 4:43 pm
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| who was that dean guy arguing with? |
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Bobby Boggs
From:
Upstate SC.
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Posted 22 Apr 2014 9:31 pm
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Patty, just to be clear. Your Hybrids have only one cent cabinet drop on string 6 when the C pedal is pressed? If so, that's quite remarkable.
Also a big thank you to all the guys that took the time to test.
bb |
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Paddy Long
From:
Christchurch, New Zealand
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Posted 23 Apr 2014 3:21 pm
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Bobby I didn't check it with the C pedal on string 6 -- I will do that when I get a chance and report back
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14'Zumsteel Hybrid D10 9+9
08'Zumsteel Hybrid D10 9+9
94' Franklin Stereo D10 9+8
Telonics, Peterson, Steelers Choice, Benado, Lexicon, Red Dirt Cases. |
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Len Amaral
From:
Rehoboth,MA 02769
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Posted 23 Apr 2014 4:13 pm
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| My Zum is a 2003 U-12 and I loaned it to a friend for a recording session and getting it back this week so I will see if it has the ACS and the four screws. |
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Dean Holman
From:
Branson MO
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Posted 24 Apr 2014 10:48 am
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memphislim
From:
Austin, Texas
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Posted 24 Apr 2014 11:09 am
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| Dean we appreciate your help and insight in this matter and what your saying I think everyone agrees with. This thread is not about cabinet drop. Its about the differences between two guitars by the same manufacturer, one of which has been designed to minimize or reduce the drop and whether or not it has been successful. There by giving the uniformed buyer a reason to choose/ not choose one over the other. If Bruce put ACS on a guitar, there is a reason. We're not discussing the reason, just the outcome. |
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