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Lane Gray


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Post  Posted 20 Apr 2014 2:12 am    
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I know that I've heard specific songs and solos before, and at one point I asked Buddy if he'd specifically borrowed from Jimmy McGriff. He smiled big and said not many had caught that influence.
I was talking with a friend who said "I'd love to hear Buddy playing B-3 licks."
My first thought was "hell, you can't get to SS Cool without an organ." I'm hundreds of miles from my records and MP3s: can anybody think of other examples, since I'm pulling a blank?
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robert kramer

 

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Post  Posted 20 Apr 2014 7:47 am    
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Lane - Here are just two examples from Jimmy Smith's "Walk on the Wild Side" (1962)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oi-jdDDXDM

@ 3:41 Jimmy Smith plays unison notes. Emmons would play this on C-6th by slanting the bar and playing two strings in unison. Example in the key of F: Play the F note 3rd string 5th fret - slant the bar and simultaneously play the F note 4th string 8th fret. The bar will almost be parallel to the fretboard and the F note 4th string 8th fret will be slightly flat of pitch - which Emmons uses for emphasis.

Both players play this lick through the changes.

@ 3:18 Jimmy Smith plays a vamp which Emmons plays on C-6th. Example in the key of C: play a C7th chord 5th fret / 6 & 7 pedal / strings strings 5-3-2 and rock off and on the 6th pedal. This lick is also played through the changes.

Just to repeat your point about B-3 influences. Jimmy Smith - Jimmy McGriff - Wild Bill Davis - Brother Jack McDuff - Baby Face Dodds - Groove Holmes: Day - Emmons - Chalker grew up listening to the great organ trios of their day and it's right at the heart of their music - songs - vamps - licks - timing - coolness.


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Lane Gray


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Post  Posted 20 Apr 2014 8:10 am    
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Robert, I appreciate it a lot: I dig the B3.
But I was looking for the examples of Buddy playing the organisms. When I mentioned McGriff, Buddy told me not to overlook Shirley Scott.
I always associate Jimmy Smith with Curly,since both were much more likely to leave accessible behind than Buddy or Jimmy.
I mean, you can see organ all over SSC or Rock Candy, but it seems more like approach than specific licks (much like there's Tele all over Mooney, even if he never played a single Nichols or Rich lick).
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Post  Posted 20 Apr 2014 8:48 am    
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Buddy did some live recordings with Danny Gatton in VA. & both of them played lots of B3 influenced licks, great battle between them.."awe inspiring"!!
Someone on here will have a link, enjoy!
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Post  Posted 20 Apr 2014 8:53 am    
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Buddy did some live recordings with Danny Gatton in VA. & both of them played lots of B3 influenced licks, great battle between them.."awe inspiring"!!
Someone on here will have a link, enjoy!
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Post  Posted 20 Apr 2014 9:05 am    
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Mike Holder wrote:
Buddy did some live recordings with Danny Gatton in VA. & both of them played lots of B3 influenced licks, great battle between them.."awe inspiring"!!
Someone on here will have a link, enjoy!

http://picosong.com/YAv2/
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Lane Gray


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Post  Posted 20 Apr 2014 9:31 am    
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Not Virginia, but Blues Alley, Georgetown
Rock Candy: http://youtu.be/qr-qgt1Ln5k
The studio album was cut in Arlington, Va, though
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Post  Posted 20 Apr 2014 10:55 am    
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Joachim Kettner wrote:
Mike Holder wrote:
Buddy did some live recordings with Danny Gatton in VA. & both of them played lots of B3 influenced licks, great battle between them.."awe inspiring"!!
Someone on here will have a link, enjoy!

http://picosong.com/YAv2/


That doesn't sound like Hold It - more like C Jam Blues.
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Mike Holder


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Post  Posted 20 Apr 2014 11:34 am    
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I thought it was from The Birchmere just across from DC.
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Post  Posted 20 Apr 2014 11:47 am    
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Ken Byng wrote:
Joachim Kettner wrote:
Mike Holder wrote:
Buddy did some live recordings with Danny Gatton in VA. & both of them played lots of B3 influenced licks, great battle between them.."awe inspiring"!!
Someone on here will have a link, enjoy!

http://picosong.com/YAv2/


That doesn't sound like Hold It - more like C Jam Blues.

Most definitely C Jam Blues!
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Joachim Kettner


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Post  Posted 20 Apr 2014 11:56 am    
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I knew it wasn't "Hold It" and the "Picosong" upload wasn't from me. I posted it only for the Hammond sound example.
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Post  Posted 20 Apr 2014 12:29 pm    
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I wasn't inferring that it was your error Joachim. I just needed to clarify the fact for those who don't know any different.
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Pete Finney

 

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Post  Posted 20 Apr 2014 12:51 pm    
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I believe that most of the Buddy Emmons gigs with Danny Gatton in Washington were at the Cellar Door; not at Blues Alley. The video linked to above thanks the Birchmere and the Cellar Door so maybe it was filmed at the Birchmere.

I know the very first gigs they did in Washington together were at the Cellar Door because Danny borrowed my Session 400 for Buddy to use. Buddy did not leave any of his tone in there for me when he was done, unfortunately!


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Lane Gray


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Post  Posted 20 Apr 2014 1:13 pm    
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Pretty sure it WASN'T Birchmere I, in Shirlington, because it was too small for any drumkit acts (the Scene barely fit). And I was playing steel by the time they moved to Birchmere II.
I remember Mike telling me he'd see them at BA and I think they played the Bayou.
If they'd been in Va., I'd tried to see them. Minors could attend the Birchmere (legally a restaurant), but I couldn't even see the Scene in DC. Had to be an adult.
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Gary Lee Gimble


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Post  Posted 20 Apr 2014 1:26 pm    
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Lane,
I would respectfully suggest to bypass The Big E and go directly one of my favorite B#3 players, Joey DeFrancesco. By no means is this a slight to B E. I just feel there is so much listening B#3 appreciation out there by J D, you can't go wrong. You'll need a software app or an external "musical study" for said venture. Check him out @6:31

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2RRUVAD9Mc
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Lane Gray


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Post  Posted 20 Apr 2014 1:33 pm    
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For MY purposes, Gary, I'm with ya. Love Joey.
BUT, a friend asked "where can I hear Buddy playing them organ licks?" And I currently lack access to the bulk of my catalog, so I turn to a bunch of steelies.
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Pete Burak

 

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Post  Posted 20 Apr 2014 3:33 pm    
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Has your friend checked out all the Poco tunes with Organ licks played on Steel?
Kind Woman kicks in just aftert the 10min mark:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRRis53XCFA
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Post  Posted 20 Apr 2014 5:23 pm    
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Joachim Kettner wrote:
Mike Holder wrote:
Buddy did some live recordings with Danny Gatton in VA. & both of them played lots of B3 influenced licks, great battle between them.."awe inspiring"!!
Someone on here will have a link, enjoy!

http://picosong.com/YAv2/


That's not Danny Gatton on guitar.

I was me.
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Bob Knetzger


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Post  Posted 20 Apr 2014 8:03 pm    
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbHDvTgkxpo

It's all good, but jump to 12:00.
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Tony Glassman


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Post  Posted 20 Apr 2014 10:30 pm    
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Lane Gray wrote:
.....I mean, you can see organ all over SSC or Rock Candy, but it seems more like approach than specific licks


"Rock Candy" was initially written and recorded by Bro. Jack McDuff (early to mid "60's). This is one of my all-time favorite recordings ever!
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Ernie Renn


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Post  Posted 20 Apr 2014 10:32 pm    
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Try this... Cool

Danny Gatton & Funhouse from 6-10-88. Right click and select Save As... It's 48.6MB. However, it's 2:47:15.

From the The Birchmere - Alexandria, VA.
Set List.
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Lane Gray


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Post  Posted 21 Apr 2014 2:33 am    
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BTW, the live RJE CD on NRG Records was definitely done at Blues Alley, unless the liner notes have it wrong (I have that CD somewhere, hope I can find it)1

1 See Pete's post. And notice that I said I haven't found the CD. Dangit.
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Pete Finney

 

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Post  Posted 21 Apr 2014 4:51 am    
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The live CD is called "Recorded Live at the Cellar Door." Might give a little bit of a clue.

http://www.amazon.com/Redneck-Jazz-Explosion-Recorded-December/dp/B000001XR0
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Lane Gray


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Post  Posted 21 Apr 2014 4:58 am    
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Weird. So what do I have from Blues Alley?
Geez, often in error, seldom in doubt.
I must apologize for not only having it wrong, but for holding so steadfastly to error.
I must also really resent those pesky facts for not conforming to my (rather clear) memory.
Don'tcha hate it when that happens?
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Post  Posted 21 Apr 2014 6:16 am    
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Maturity might well be classified as the ability to say something truthful without being right. Or, maybe was it vice-versa... Question
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