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Topic: WTB: Mu-Tron III |
Pete Burak
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Portland, OR USA
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Posted 24 May 2004 7:31 pm |
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I'd like to buy a Mu-Tron III Envelope Filter.
Please let me know if you have one for sale.
Thx,
Pete B.
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Scott Swartz
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St. Louis, MO
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Posted 25 May 2004 7:26 am
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Pete,
Not sure if you want an original, or a very close copy will work.
If the copy is fine, the Electro Harmonix Q-Tron is almost identical, circuit wise.
click here
or used on ebay a lot cheaper.[This message was edited by b0b on 25 May 2004 at 12:56 PM.] |
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Rand Anderson
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Cardiff, California, USA
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Posted 25 May 2004 7:35 am
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i wouldnt get a mutron or a qtron
i would get an old electro harmonix zipper or an ibanez af-9
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Glenn Suchan
From:
Austin, Texas
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Posted 25 May 2004 9:06 am
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Pete,
I suggest looking for the MXR model. It works great for PSG and has been used by many of the greats of our instrument. I've had mine for better than 24 years cause it works best for me.
Keep on pickin'!
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Pete Burak
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Portland, OR USA
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Posted 25 May 2004 9:12 am
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Thanks for the recomendations, guys.
I just picked up the new Jerry Garcia box set and have Mu-Tron III on the brain (the unit he used, I believe),
not that one of the others wouldn't be better.
~pb
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Rand Anderson
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Cardiff, California, USA
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Posted 25 May 2004 9:20 am
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well if you do some homework...
you'll see that the mutron III was built by mike beigel. he did design the newer qtron. mxrs are hip as well but an ibanez af-9 is compact with same controls as mutron III and can run on 1 9 volt andd a lot less real estate on pedal board.
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Pete Burak
From:
Portland, OR USA
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Posted 25 May 2004 12:13 pm
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Hey Rand,
Thanks for the info.
Do you have a unit you want to sell or trade?
Are you the steel player in your band?
I have a black S12U Emmons that looks alot like the S10 on your bands site. Is that a 3x2?
I gotta admit, it's hard to get past the fact that Jerry used the Mu-
Tron III, even if other ones were better or more convienient.
Ruben and Cherise, Run for the Roses, etc... that's the type of thing I'd like to get out of it.
Are you guys playing in Portland OR at all?
Thx,
Pete B.
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Dan Tyack
From:
Olympia, WA USA
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Posted 25 May 2004 2:28 pm
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The MXR just doesn't do the Mutron thing at all. The Adrennalyn does a PERFECT Mutron imitation (and a lot more). What I use for that sound usually is the Roland V-Wah. It's manual (versus automatic), but you can totally cop that vibe. You need to be able to play with your right foot off the volumn pedal, though.
Oh yeah, the Line6 filter pedal does a very decent Mutron. As does the Lexicon MPX-1 G2. |
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Brad Sarno
From:
St. Louis, MO USA
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Posted 25 May 2004 5:10 pm
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Pete, I've been thru about 4 original mu-tron's. Each one sounded a little different. Only one was bad, the other 3 sounded great. The Q-Tron is very close, but I'd have to recommend the reissue Mu-Tron III+, the one that looks exactly like the original. It's very good, extremely true to the original, and pretty much sounds just like my better sounding originals. It's got lot's of tweakability with the added internal dip switches. You can definitely get the Jerry sound with it. The Q-Tron is real close but less tweakable. The downside to the original is that it's not true-bypass. The signal is always going thru it's mediocre active stages whether on or bypassed. The new models like the Q-Tron or Mutron have real bypass.
Shakedown, Fire on the Mtn, Duprees, Estimated, Catfish John, Ruben and Cherise, Stranger, etc.... Oh the good ol' days. Mutron heaven. It's this time of year that the loss really hits home. Mail order isn't that exciting anymore. Ya know?
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James Quackenbush
From:
Pomona, New York, USA
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Posted 26 May 2004 6:13 am
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OK....Now you guy's got me goin back to the good ol' day's !!.....I graduated High School back in June of 69 and went directly to the Philmore East for a Dead concert ....They played all night, and then packed up , and did a free concert in Central Park !!.... I was 17 yrs old, and that night was MAGIC !!...I felt free as a bird !
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Rand Anderson
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Cardiff, California, USA
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Posted 26 May 2004 7:41 am
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actually i just got a an emmons SD U12. i am trying to get it set up for my likings. I had been playing a 10 but Jeff Newman converted me to the uni. so i didnt realize how many steel folks are freaking dead heads. i guess with all that new riders and such.
so i got rid of my old mutron III's. they were very tempermental and not consistent one unit to next. I actually prefer the Mutron Micro V if you can find one.
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Rand Anderson
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Cardiff, California, USA
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Scott Appleton
From:
Ashland, Oregon
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Posted 26 May 2004 7:53 am
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In the mid 70's I had the pleasure of working at the Dead's studio in San Rafael and was right there working on the console when the band was going through rehearsals. Jerry had a midi controlled pedal board that had the mutron he also used the mxr envelope follower. they were switched out or in on loops so the original output of the guitar was allways
clean when the effect was bypassed.
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Rand Anderson
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Cardiff, California, USA
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Rand Anderson
From:
Cardiff, California, USA
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Posted 26 May 2004 8:46 am
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haha
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Pete Burak
From:
Portland, OR USA
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Posted 26 May 2004 8:51 am
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Sounds good Rand!
Hey, FWIW, I actually have a "Dynamic Filter" as it's called, on a Roland GP-8 (late 80's unit).
It sounds O.K., it has 4 parameters. Sensetivity, "Q", Cut-Off Frequency,
and Up/Down.
Like I said in my earlier post though, I want what Jerry used!
Thanks for the great links!
Can you reccomend a good Freshly Baked listen with steel?
~pb
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Brad Sarno
From:
St. Louis, MO USA
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Posted 26 May 2004 9:21 am
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There's nothing like the Mutron III (or its clones) for that round, vocal like, bwow bwow sound. I find the Boss, Ibanez, MXR, and some others to sound more like "blap blap" and not "bwow bwow". The Mutron also does a nice job of letting you tweak and tailor the sharpness and peakiness of the "bwow". It'll go "bweeowp" or "bleeeap" if you want it to. It'll also go "mwah mwah". But Jerry liked the "bwow bwow" most of the time.
Weir used one for a while too on some weirder jams, but he set the envlelope to go downward instead so you get the opposite sound, "cheeeowwmm". It was very trippy to hear Jerry going "bwowmp bwowmp" while Bobby was going "cheeeowwmm cheeeowwmm".
Pete, if you get one, I can maybe send you some pic's of Jerrys MuTron in his rack so you can see his settings. If you twiddle with one you'll probably come up with the same settings. Now where are those darn pics?...
Brad |
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