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Robert Mayo


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Post  Posted 26 Oct 2011 5:10 am    
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Many people know I actively sought these wonderful American icons out in my earlier days, having amassed quite a collection, getting to know Billy ,Ruth and other members of the Grammer family. I placed several into museums and sold of my collection over the years , every now and then I still get one in for sale ,like this one featured here. Brazilian rosewood back and side as well as BRW fingerboard, original ,transitional model as it is appointed like the earlier R.G and G. models but has the earlier signs of the Ampeg involvement,such as the black and white Ampeg label, lower case lettering on the headstock and the A logo. Ampeg NEVER owned or built these guitars they just handled marketing and distribution for Billy. 2400.00 non original case.











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Pete Honychurch

 

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Post  Posted 27 Oct 2011 7:31 pm    
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Man, those were some of the ugliest guitars ever made. Never could figure out why they would make em so durn ugly.
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Bob Vantine

 

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Post  Posted 27 Oct 2011 8:43 pm    
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I always loved the looks . Wish I needed it or just had the extra $$$$$$ to spend .

To me this would be like getting that certain perfect Sho-Bud ...... just pure CLASS ! Cool
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Post  Posted 28 Oct 2011 1:52 am    
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Jack Stoner


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Post  Posted 28 Oct 2011 2:06 am    
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I worked for Little Roy Wiggin's Nashville (lower broadway) music store in the early 70's. That was also the factory outlet for Grammer Guitars. I never heard anyone say they were "ugly". Most liked the looks of the Grammer.

I was hired by Ralph Fielding who was the owner after Ampeg, to be the amp tech for the store, which later was taken over by Little Roy who became the President of Grammer.

I have a Blonde RG&G made Grammer. RG&G was the original Grammer co. It was sold to Ampeg and then as I noted to Ralph Fielding and later another person took ownership on a loan default by Ralph Fielding.
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Scott Shipley


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Post  Posted 28 Oct 2011 2:15 am    
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To me, the Grammer guitar is the quintessential 1960's Country & Western Nashville guitar. GORGEOUS. I have one that is a pre-Ampeg natural finish birdseye maple, and an early laminated rosewood model without a neck. It's getting ready to get a Merle Travis/Bigsby style neck on it. Love em!
Sorry to sidetrack your thread Robert, good luck with the sale of this beauty! If I had the extra $, I'd be bringin it home with me!
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Robert Mayo


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Post  Posted 28 Oct 2011 5:29 am    
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Well Pete in America we have a saying " If you don't have anything nice to say, then you shouldn't say anything at all " but then again your from Canada.....
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Julian Goldwhite

 

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Post  Posted 28 Oct 2011 10:37 am    
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As the French like to say, chacun à son goût... Personally I think it's a beaut!
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J R Rose

 

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Post  Posted 28 Oct 2011 6:58 pm     Grammer Guitar
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Nothing but PURE CLASS. If I wasn't already Guitar poor I would own it. J.R.
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Mike Harris

 

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Post  Posted 30 Oct 2011 5:34 am    
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I'm with you, Pete--Ugly with a capital "U"
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Robert Mayo


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Post  Posted 30 Oct 2011 7:12 am    
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Scott Shipley wrote:
To me, the Grammer guitar is the quintessential 1960's Country & Western Nashville guitar. GORGEOUS. I have one that is a pre-Ampeg natural finish birdseye maple, and an early laminated rosewood model without a neck. It's getting ready to get a Merle Travis/Bigsby style neck on it. Love em!
Sorry to sidetrack your thread Robert, good luck with the sale of this beauty! If I had the extra $, I'd be bringin it home with me!
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No problem, ..ugly ? Other than a D 28 dread body ,cool fingerboard inlays, original headstock shape which I love , the only thing that would differ from other dreads are the "Psycho" hillbilly pickguards, which are at least original in the world of pickguards and make these guitars both beautiful and unique.
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Rick Barnhart


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Post  Posted 30 Oct 2011 7:50 am    
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It's really not cool to sabotage an instrument for sale ad, fellas. You wouldn't like it done to your own. It's not my ad or I'd ask b0b to remove remarks that weren't helpful.
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Tom Keller

 

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Post  Posted 30 Oct 2011 7:58 am    
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Sure, wish I had bought one of these great guitars when they were more affortable. I love the asthetic of these instruments they combined the best of old as well as new traditions.


Good luck with sale!
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Robert Mayo


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Post  Posted 31 Oct 2011 8:12 am    
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Rick Barnhart wrote:
It's really not cool to sabotage an instrument for sale ad, fellas. You wouldn't like it done to your own. It's not my ad or I'd ask b0b to remove remarks that weren't helpful.


There is always at least one (detractor)in the woodpile, Thanks for your support.
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Pete Honychurch

 

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Post  Posted 2 Nov 2011 9:12 pm    
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My apologies for what was not meant to disparage your sales pitch, just my aesthetic opinion on an artform.
Sorry if you feel this was not the right place for people's opinions. Best of luck.
Bob has my permission to delete my earlier post if he wants.
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Scott Shipley


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Post  Posted 2 Nov 2011 10:44 pm    
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Note I'm not the one who said "ugly." I used words like gorgeous. And I meant em! Smile
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Darrell Owens


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Post  Posted 11 Nov 2011 4:32 pm     Grammar Guitar
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To the eye of a novice, there are many guitars that might be considered "ugly". For example, there was the Martin that Merle Travis had with a Bigsby neck. Ugly? Perhaps to some it might be, but it played like butter and sounded like a million bucks, which was it was valued at!

I think Grammar guitars an icon of country music, and will only increase in value.
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Ron Pruter

 

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Post  Posted 11 Nov 2011 11:35 pm    
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I was living in Nashville when Grammer went out of business and remember seeing a rack with Grammer guitars in various stages of completion. They were for sale quite cheap. Ugly or not, I'd love to have one. Boy Oh Boy. Can you say? Grand Ol Opry. RP
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Robert Mayo


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Post  Posted 13 Nov 2011 4:23 pm    
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Ron Pruter wrote:
I was living in Nashville when Grammer went out of business and remember seeing a rack with Grammer guitars in various stages of completion. They were for sale quite cheap. Ugly or not, I'd love to have one. Boy Oh Boy. Can you say? Grand Ol Opry. RP



TuT Taylor bought the inventory and machinery when they (R.G.and G. ) went belly up so a few guitars were final assembled without labels. I have owned at the high point 42 of these guitars and over the years started selling them off, saving the cream of the crop for last (IMO).
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Jack Stoner


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Post  Posted 14 Nov 2011 3:13 am    
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One correction, it was not "RG&G" that went belly up at the time. That company (and owners) was long gone and Grammer had been through three other owners First Ampeg then Ralph Fielding and finally the building contractor company that foreclosed on Ralph Fielding's ownership and put Little Roy Wiggins in as President. There was a fire at the Grammer plant and that ended the company and from what I've read Tut Taylor bought the remaining (useable) equipment.

I was there for the last part of Ralph Fielding's ownership and the first part of Little Roy's involvment. I was hired by Ralph Fielding as the amp tech at the store on lower Broadway which became "Little Roy Wiggins Music City" music store and Grammer factory outlet (and Emmons dealer for Nashville). There is a picture of the store on the back of the Emmons "Black Album", the picture of Buddy and Ron Elliott.



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Robert Mayo


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Post  Posted 14 Nov 2011 5:09 am    
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I will not dispute what you have stated, all I can rely on is what Billy and his wife Ruth Grammer have told me over the years. I use the "R.G. and G." only because their never was a "Grammer guitar factory" per say....
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Jack Stoner


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Post  Posted 14 Nov 2011 6:37 am    
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I was there in 71/72. The Grammer Guitar was associated with Billy Grammer because of the name, but by that time frame the only connection he had to the company was the Grammer name on the guitars. He was not getting any royalty from the new owners.
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Hugh Roche


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Post  Posted 18 Nov 2011 4:49 pm     grammer
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gentelmen it is important to note the role of JW gower in this story. there was in fact a factory though i use the term loosely, Billy Grammer comes in the picture in the mid sixties. Here are some pictures wilson Hyde, JW Gower and Travis Moore, the shop and my 50s gower which allegedly belonged to Connie Smith.



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Robert Mayo


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Post  Posted 19 Nov 2011 5:07 am     Re: BRW The Grammer Guitar
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Robert Mayo wrote:
Many people know I actively sought these wonderful American icons out in my earlier days, having amassed quite a collection, getting to know Billy ,Ruth and other members of the Grammer family. I placed several into museums and sold of my collection over the years , every now and then I still get one in for sale ,like this one featured here. Brazilian rosewood back and side as well as BRW fingerboard, original ,transitional model as it is appointed like the earlier R.G and G. models but has the earlier signs of the Ampeg involvement,such as the black and white Ampeg label, lower case lettering on the headstock and the A logo. Ampeg NEVER owned or built these guitars they just handled marketing and distribution for Billy. 2400.00 non original case.











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