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Topic: George Jones: new country music needs a new name |
Jason Schofield
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Detroit, MI USA
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Alvin Blaine
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Sandy Valley, Nevada, USA
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Joe Casey
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Weeki Wachee .Springs FL (population.9)
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 Posted 3 Nov 2009 10:19 am |
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| What songs did George try to do Rock??? Maybe producers wanted him to Change but I'm sure the Possum knew his place...Now there are many Rockers who attempt to be classified as Country during waning careers...I have nothing against any singer or musician advancing their horizons..But when they are out of their element thats when the joke begins... |
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Rick Campbell
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Knoxville, TN, USA
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| Posted 3 Nov 2009 10:56 am |
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This is exactaly the same thing I've been saying for a very long time. Now that George has said this, I'm sure people will notice. But, it will change nothing. The ones of us that know anything about country music already knew this. There will be the fickel ones, (or maybe they just don't know the difference) that will cheer George on for his comments, and then they'll go right back to listening to their Brad Pasiley, Sugerland, etc... the double standard at work.
Here's a test: When someone tells you how much they like real country music, if you get a chance, look in their car at their CD's. That will tell the story. I invite anyone to check out my CD collection. I practice what I preach. I've bought CD's that were suppose to be country, and played them through (actually track hopped) one time, and seeing they were not country, threw them in the trash at the next pit stop. $15.00 down the drain.
Again, nothing wrong with having your preference in music, but don't try to steal the identity away from country music and replace it with the washed out 70's and 80's rock. Some people don't even have a preference, they just like all kinds of music. That's okay too, but this thread is not about you. You go ahead and listen to your top 40 radio and enjoy what they tell you is popular, and be happy. You have no place in this discussion.
This is not about good music vs. bad. We all have to be our own judge of that. This is about diluting the country sound that the legends established, with other music. By the same token, country artist should not try to push their sound into other forms of music either. If this continues, sooner or later it will all be just music, and there will be no identity to any of it. Except for the Opera.......I have to again commend them on keeping their music withing it's boundries. I don't like it, but I respect their dedication.
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Jody Sanders
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Magnolia,Texas
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| Posted 3 Nov 2009 11:18 am |
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| Its all about money guys. Jody. |
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Michael Strauss
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Delray Beach,Florida
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| Posted 3 Nov 2009 12:07 pm |
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Same article on MSN
http://music.msn.com/music/article.aspx?news=439737>1=28102
Ouch, that must hurt all the way to the bank 
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Mitch Drumm
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| Posted 3 Nov 2009 12:13 pm |
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Joe:
Here is Thumper Jones in 1956:
How Come It
Not exactly a spellbinding attempt, but he tried his hand at rockabilly--as did Marty Robbins, Justin Tubb, Buck Owens, Faron, Wynn Stewart, and dozens of lesser known country artists. |
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Rick Campbell
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Knoxville, TN, USA
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| Posted 3 Nov 2009 12:40 pm |
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| Mitch Drumm wrote: |
Joe:
Here is Thumper Jones in 1956:
How Come It
Not exactly a spellbinding attempt, but he tried his hand at rockabilly--as did Marty Robbins, Justin Tubb, Buck Owens, Faron, Wynn Stewart, and dozens of lesser known country artists. |
What a stupid song. I'm glad it didn't get anywhere. Sounds, more like the Carl Smith, Carl Perkins type stuff. I think Rockabilly was a flash in the pan thing that many took a part in for a short time. You know Conway came from that direction, but when he said country he meant country. |
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Mitch Drumm
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| Posted 3 Nov 2009 2:25 pm |
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Yeah, it's a stupid song. Stupid enough to have been composed by George Jones.
He also recorded Heartbreak Hotel and Blue Suede Shoes in 1956. They are not quite as bad, mostly because he didn't write them.
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Rick Campbell
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Knoxville, TN, USA
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| Posted 3 Nov 2009 3:34 pm |
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| Mitch Drumm wrote: |
Yeah, it's a stupid song. Stupid enough to have been composed by George Jones.
He also recorded Heartbreak Hotel and Blue Suede Shoes in 1956. They are not quite as bad, mostly because he didn't write them.
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I still think it's a stupid song, I don't care who wrote it. Stupid songs make money too, but "Thumper" didn't hit the jackpot with this one.  I'm glad he left this stuff alone and landed where he did. I suppose in 1956 those guys were no different than the guys that are trying to make it now, and would do most anything to try and get the ball rolling. Probably even more competitive now, but I think in the old days, more people got a chance at it than now. "Sweetheart Tell Me My Lying Eyes Are Wrong" now that's what I like about Thumper, Possum, whatever you want to call him. |
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Leslie Ehrlich
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Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada
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| Posted 3 Nov 2009 10:16 pm |
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I never thought of 'Why Baby Why' as a country song. When I first heard it I thought it was a rock 'n' roll tune. 'White Lightning' kind of leans toward rock too.
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Joe Miraglia
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Jamestown N.Y.
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Ryan Knudson
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Milwaukee, Wisconsin, USA
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| Posted 6 Nov 2009 8:17 am |
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What constitutes "real" country music? I can't stand the new stuff on country radio, either, but when I switch to our local "classic" country AM station, I hear a lot of sappy, over-produced Anne Murray-type-stuff from the seventies. All of this is considered country music, no?
I wasn't around back then, but didn't people complain about the introduction of drums and electric guitars in the late fifties? Weren't there purists who thought that adding pedals to steel guitars was too modern? Don't people make the same complaints about all genres of music? Could it be that we are all just fans of the country equivalent of Oldies?
And isn't music just a commodity anyway? Aren't we all playing to an audience, trying to strike a balance between "artist" and "entertainer"? If people's tastes leaned toward country oldies, especially in a free-market society, wouldn't artists and entertainers give (sell) the people what they want? Could this be why almost nobody is playing that style of country? Or can artists and entertainers change music consumers' taste in music? |
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Erv Niehaus
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Litchfield, MN, USA
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| Posted 6 Nov 2009 8:23 am |
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If you want to see and hear some real country music, just pull up some of those old programs where the guys and gals are sitting around on straw bales in what looks like a barn and the different singers get up to sing with a Martin hanging off their neck.
Now that's country!  |
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Rick Campbell
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Knoxville, TN, USA
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| Posted 6 Nov 2009 11:28 am |
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| Ryan Knudson wrote: |
What constitutes "real" country music? I can't stand the new stuff on country radio, either, but when I switch to our local "classic" country AM station, I hear a lot of sappy, over-produced Anne Murray-type-stuff from the seventies. All of this is considered country music, no?
I wasn't around back then, but didn't people complain about the introduction of drums and electric guitars in the late fifties? Weren't there purists who thought that adding pedals to steel guitars was too modern? Don't people make the same complaints about all genres of music? Could it be that we are all just fans of the country equivalent of Oldies?
And isn't music just a commodity anyway? Aren't we all playing to an audience, trying to strike a balance between "artist" and "entertainer"? If people's tastes leaned toward country oldies, especially in a free-market society, wouldn't artists and entertainers give (sell) the people what they want? Could this be why almost nobody is playing that style of country? Or can artists and entertainers change music consumers' taste in music? |
Ryan - I suppose it is confusing. My country taste does not go back to the Hank Williams band days. This is too old for me. My preference is 60's - 70's era. I think this was the time when country really defined itself. Until then a lot of western music (Bob Wills type), old time music (Uncle Dave Macon, bluegrass, (Bill Monroe), etc... were all mixed up and considered country, or hillbilly music. The TV shows in the 50's made a big deal of having hay bales and wagons, etc... on the set. Then in the late 50's and especially the 60's, it started to take on certain definations and the peak of the country honky tonk sound was defined with people like Jack Greene, Mel Tillis, Conway, Paycheck, Buck, Porter, Wilburn Brothers, etc... Now at the same time, rock and roll was developing from the 50's Buddy Holly sound, into the pop/rock sounds like CCR, Three Dog Night, Eagles, etc..... Here's where it get's confusing:
When the hard rock/heavy metal (Kiss) etc... came on the rock scene, the pop/rock Eagles types didn't know what to do, so that type music floated around until it landed in the country industry. A casualty of this is that the honky tonk country has now been pushed in the corner and is in the threat of extinction, aside from some select artist mainly in the TX area.
To answer your question: "Could this be why almost nobody is playing that style of country? Or can artists and entertainers change music consumers' taste in music?"
Absolutely, you have it figured out. Now, to a focused fan that has certain listening preferences (like me) NO, I simply turn off the radio if it's not what I want to hear. But, most of the listening public are not this way, they just listen to what they think is popular and what everyone else is listening to. I mentioned in another thread that my mother and sister used to wait until the JC Penny's and Sears catalogs came out so they could see what kind of clothes they were suppose to wear for the upcoming season. It's the "fit in", "do what everyone's" doing attitude, and the music industry thrives on that.
Sorry for the long post, and understand that I don't claim this to be the gospel, it's just the way I've observed things through the years. Well, myself and at least George Jones, that I know off.
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Erv Niehaus
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Litchfield, MN, USA
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| Posted 6 Nov 2009 11:36 am |
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This is back when country was country!!!
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Chip Fossa
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Monson, MA 01057 U.S.A.
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| Posted 6 Nov 2009 3:38 pm |
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It took George a bit longer to come to the water trough, than Merle, but the big light in the sky has cast it's beam upon the man.
What's to argue here? Don't nit-pick.
He's got the message, now.
I applaude him for speaking the truth.
But as even he alluded to; maybe us real country folk ain't gonna last "forever".
Fear not, George. I'm still here and willing to carry the torch.
I don't get it; how anyone can refute George Jones?
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